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Ask HN: Do companies validate their recruiting strategies?

15 pointsby tangjurineover 1 year ago
I think it&#x27;s common to hear about companies with crazy hiring practices, or most companies copying the big tech companies in terms of what questions are asked.<p>If companies want the most qualified people, and the current state of things isn&#x27;t the best strategy, does that make sense with how hiring practices don&#x27;t seem to have changed significantly for a while?<p>I was wondering if people have heard of companies doings things like:<p>Identifying which questions asked are good predictors of how an employee does at 90 days&#x2F;1 year.<p>Estimating how important each step of the interview process is, etc.

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ilrwbwrkhvover 1 year ago
No they don&#x27;t. Especially tech companies which have been taken over by &quot;recruiters&quot; who do not have an inkling of tech understanding. UK especially has this problem as they have a huge recruitment industry and one of the reasons the UK is collapsing is because they cannot identify proper talent.
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rozenmdover 1 year ago
Big tech companies do evaluate how well their interview processes are going - it&#x27;s one of many reasons why cargo-culting what you hear they&#x27;re doing is ineffective.<p>For all you know their process wasn&#x27;t effective, and they&#x27;ve iterated on it since.
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nitwit005over 1 year ago
Generally no. It&#x27;s unfortunately extremely difficult to run a good experiment.<p>Say you want to compare two hiring methods. You&#x27;d need to hire a large group, for the same job role, using both methods, and ideally keep the people evaluating their performance from knowing which method was used for which people.<p>If you happen to find that one method works way better, it may not work in practice, as people leak the interview process and questions asked. Your proposal to see which questions are a good filter is fraught for this reason.
koliberover 1 year ago
I’ve done it, kind of.<p>We would do retrospectives and sometimes we would tweak the questions we asked as a result.<p>Once we had two DevOps engineers who had a way of working that was causing problems. We added more questions to test for that missing soft skill to increase the chances that the next one would be better.<p>Similarly, had a bunch of people pass to a later round where we rejected them for the same reason. Added a heuristic question earlier on to scream for it in a first interview.
local_crmdgeonover 1 year ago
Not in my experience at smaller companies, and at larger companies there&#x27;s forums dedicated to gaming the system so validation is less accurate.
JJMcJover 1 year ago
I&#x27;ve read that some of the FAANGs hire a certain percentage of people who don&#x27;t qualify normally. This helps them calibrate their screening criteria.
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kwant_kiddoover 1 year ago
we don&#x27;t; and it shows :(
lesuoracover 1 year ago
Well, only know about part of FANG so YMMV.<p>&gt; I think it&#x27;s common to hear about companies with crazy hiring practices, or most companies copying the big tech companies in terms of what questions are asked.<p>Sure and as shown recently there&#x27;s about what questions should be even be asked by HN [1]. Although I do think that question is fine although I&#x27;d have approached it SQL first and Map second); but really those are the kinds of questions you should be able to whip out an answer to in &lt;15 minutes and I do believe the people I work with can.<p>&gt; If companies want the most qualified people, and the current state of things isn&#x27;t the best strategy, does that make sense with how hiring practices don&#x27;t seem to have changed significantly for a while?<p>That&#x27;s not the goal.<p>There are many levels and each level is meant to represent different qualifications. So, the company does not aim to hire only level 10x (i.e. the most qualified). They aim to hire qualified people without the _most_ modifier. If you&#x27;re &quot;only&quot; a 4&#x2F;10 that&#x27;s great if the company has level 4 slots open.<p>Hiring practices won&#x27;t change because there&#x27;s already way more applicants than slots. Think of it from the companies perspective. They have a policy and by following the policy they&#x27;ve ended up with that slot being filled.<p>&gt; I was wondering if people have heard of companies doings things like: &gt; Identifying which questions asked are good predictors of how an employee does at 90 days&#x2F;1 year<p>Yeah, where I am does check for a few years after you&#x27;ve been hired how well your interview ratings is correlated with your end-of-year(ish) performance ratings.<p>&gt; Estimating how important each step of the interview process is, etc.<p>Ditto on this with above. Some parts of the interview ratings have been changed as they weren&#x27;t more correlated than others with future job performance.<p>You can think of it as if you were a basketball scout and you used to report on Height+Weight but then found that Weight was only positively correlated with scoring baskets when Height was as well so you don&#x27;t report on Weight anymore.<p>---<p>Related, there&#x27;s a lot of research on &quot;Structured Interviews&quot; that the average HN commenter has never read nor thought about. Its kind of like getting plumbing advice from the radio. They may legitimately be right but be careful with what they say.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=38257024">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=38257024</a>