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Towards a Logical Definition of Emergence [video]

24 pointsby aarroyocover 1 year ago

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mjburgessover 1 year ago
This is a formalisation of one aspect of emergence: that a set of properties of individual objects (I0,..In) do not express properties of aggregate wholes (W0..Wn).<p>But (1) this fails to formalise this notion, since we&#x27;re not talking about two languages &#x27;plucked from thin air&#x27; -- they are langauges whose domains are I-terms and W-terms (a <i>metaphysical</i>, not a logical, constraint).<p>And (2) it&#x27;s not a useful formalisation of this really either, since the discussion is <i>why</i>, not <i>that</i> (this is taken as a given).<p>Suppose that weak emergence is true, then the failure of the I-language to express the W-language is an illusion -- rather there&#x27;s just some very large number of terms involving I that W reduces to.<p>Suppose strong emergence is true, then no amount of I-terms will express a W-term.<p>Which of these is the case cannot be settled as a matter of logic, so the construction of two languages (I-lang) and (W-lang) begs the question. If you say emergence is simply W-inexpressible in I, then you&#x27;re begging the strong view.<p>(Incidentally, I take the strong view).
reliablereasonover 1 year ago
Emergence is simply repeating patterns observed in aggregates.<p>There is nothing that &quot;emerges&quot; in the physical universe, instead things emerge in an observer&#x27;s model of the world.
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motohagiographyover 1 year ago
What is an example of emergence that is not self-similarity, and given the diminishing entropy of self-similar structures and processes, how is emergence not just a mean reversion in the entropy of a system? We could say that information is what emerges from a system as the result of the mean reversion of its entropy over time.