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Beam Me Out of This Death Trap, Scotty (1980)

83 pointsby juliusdaviesover 1 year ago

10 comments

resolutebatover 1 year ago
&gt; <i>The space station sparked a lot of interest, but it too was overwhelmingly expensive. Its components would be so heavy, NASA&#x27;s entire budget would be required to pay for the launch rockets--to say nothing, as space proponents are wont to do, of building or servicing it.</i><p>Which is is fact pretty much exactly what happened with NASA and the ISS.<p>&gt; <i>There is something noteworthy a rocket can do that the shuttle cannot. A rocket can be permitted to fail. What if a billion dollar spaceship wipes out on a &quot;routine&quot; mission &quot;commuting&quot; to space with some puny little satellite? Cooper fears it might drive a stake through the heart of the manned space program.</i><p>Nailed this one too.<p>&gt; <i>But to require six shuttle launches a year, there would have to be 18 satellites. &quot;Barring some extraordinary breakthrough in technology,&quot; says an informed communications industry source, &quot;that&#x27;s inconceivable.&quot;</i><p>This prediction, though, didn&#x27;t work out so well. (SpaceX alone has more than 5,500 satellites, and is launching thousands yearly.)
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Eliezerover 1 year ago
How incredible it seems today that this story could ever have been written by a mainstream reporter. It tells the story of a technology without any attempt at &quot;human color&quot; or &quot;character portraits&quot; to &quot;interest the public&quot;. It is written for an adult readership that seems scarcely conceivable today. A lost artifact of lost social technology that could never be reproduced within the modern West.
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theodorejbover 1 year ago
&gt; <i>When Columbia&#x27;s tiles started popping off in a stiff breeze, it occurred to engineers that ice chunks from the tank would crash into the tiles during the sonic chaos of launch: Goodbye, Columbia. So insulation was added to the tank.</i><p>I didn&#x27;t realize this was the reason for the thermal insulation. It&#x27;s ironic how in the end the insulation popped off and crashed into the tiles during launch, causing the very disaster it was intended to prevent.
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Reason077over 1 year ago
From the article:<p>&gt; <i>”You&#x27;ve probably heard, for instance, that the space shuttle will retrieve damaged satellites and return them to earth for repair. Not so. It can&#x27;t. Simply and flatly, can&#x27;t.”</i><p>Interesting article, but the <i>Washington Monthly</i>’s sources were wrong here. The space shuttles could, and did, retrieve satellites from orbit and return them to earth several times during their operating life:<p>STS-41-C (launch) &#x2F; STS-32R (retrieve): LDEF<p>STS-41-B (launch) &#x2F; STS-51-A (retrieve): Palapa B-2 and Westar 6<p>STS-46 (launch) &#x2F; STS-57 (retrieve): EURECA<p>STS-72 (retrieve): Space Flyer Unit (SFU)
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throwanemover 1 year ago
Really remarkable to see the failure modes that caused both the Challenger and Columbia disasters enumerated here, respectively six and twenty-three years ahead of time.
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JohnCClarkeover 1 year ago
I worry that the business case for StarShip is similarly optimistic.<p>Launching once per week, a single StarShip will carry 10,000 tons to orbit. Fully 50% of all mass launched to orbit since Sputnik 1. Given the hopes for even more frequent launches with a fleet of StarShips makes me wonder who is going to pay for it all and why?<p>I do understand it&#x27;s supposed to be much cheaper. But someone still has to pay. And that person still has to be sure that SpaceX - as a single, critical, supplier - won&#x27;t eat their business model any time SpaceX chooses.<p>So I do hope there&#x27;s a secret cunning plan I&#x27;m not aware of.
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amacbrideover 1 year ago
&quot;Would the public stand to lose a quarter of the fleet in a single day? Would it fork over another billion dollars to build a replacement? Would it stand for spending millions to train astronauts to be truck drivers, only to lose truck and drivers both?&quot;<p>Amazingly prescient article, but I don&#x27;t think the author expected the answers to these heartbreaking questions to be &quot;yes.&quot;<p>Twelve-year-old me stayed up all night to watch Columbia launch in &#x27;81, and I watched the last flight of Atlantis in 2011; I still can&#x27;t watch the Challenger footage to this day.
uberuberuberover 1 year ago
Highly recommend this irreverent podcast by 2 engineers and former NASA contractors. They get out above their skies on some topics but the shuttle content is fun.<p>Episode 1: Why do Blake and Craig think the Space Shuttle was stupid? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;KRlD8SdFmaE" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;KRlD8SdFmaE</a><p>Episode 18: Challenger <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;H98IGl7pSfQ" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;H98IGl7pSfQ</a>
a2800276over 1 year ago
The only thing more ridiculous than another manned visit to the moon is the colonization of mars (especially one intended to &quot;save&quot; humanity). Yet both are being planned. Idiots are just too horny for human space exploration after decades of Star Trek&#x2F;War consumption.
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dash2over 1 year ago
I think of NASA vs SpaceX as the equivalent of East vs West Germany: a clear demonstration that private companies work better than state bureaucracies.
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