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Airbnb's Silent Killer

33 pointsby Nadeusover 1 year ago

7 comments

samthoover 1 year ago
It always struck me as strange that AirBnB never went in the direction of providing a simple base station with a CO&#x2F;CO2 detector, noise sensor, Wifi AP (for IoT locks, lights, etc). I know the whole “hardware is hard” thing but you can surely find a vendor already selling something like this that’s most of the way there and can be white labeled.<p>I suppose on the flip side, rental gig economics is often predicated on the fact that corporate provides as little as legally or even ethically possible.
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bradley13over 1 year ago
This looks like someone with a grudge against AirBNB.<p>Looking in the US alone, there are about 1000 carbon-monoxide deaths <i>per</i> <i>year</i>. The article says that there have been 19 deaths in AirBNB properties in a <i>decade</i>, and I believe they are speaking of worldwide numbers, not just in the US. It&#x27;s hard to do exact numbers, but it looks like AirBNB properties are actually quite safe.
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fmaover 1 year ago
The article says all of these happened overseas.<p>&quot;All of the deaths reviewed by NBC News happened outside the U.S., where regulations regarding carbon monoxide detectors are inconsistent&quot;<p>Did the hosts conform to local laws and regulations? If so then any guests would face similar issue no matter where they rent...maybe even a higher chance of CO poisoning. Seems like the local governments of Mexico etc should enforce this. After all, why should only AirBnB guests be protected?
jessriedelover 1 year ago
There are ~420 deaths from CO poisoning each year in the US, and ~2 for AirBnB&#x27;s worldwide. With 330 M Americans sleeping 365 days per year, that&#x27;s ~4x10^-9 chance of death per night. There are ~400 M nights booked on AirBnB worldwide per year, and if there are on average 2 people per booking that&#x27;s ~3x10^-9 chance of death per night.<p>So AirBnB&#x27;s look statistically the same as normal American homes.<p>One could make an argument that AirBnb&#x27;s are for some reason a better target for CO safety rules. But any article that describes this as an urgent safety issue yet doesn&#x27;t mention they are just as safe as normal homes can&#x27;t be trusted. Clear intellectual dishonesty.
karaterobotover 1 year ago
How many stays does this 10 year period represent, and what is the rate of carbon monoxide deaths in the countries represented here? That is, is there any reason to believe there is an increased risk from staying at these AirBnbs, compared to staying in other homes in those countries? If not, then presumably what you want to do is call for these countries to mandate carbon monoxide detectors in homes, which would then cover AirBnb as well.
nemo44xover 1 year ago
Between safety issues like this, the fact that the buildings aren&#x27;t regularly inspected, that there&#x27;s been numerous discoveries of hidden cameras, and the general lack of service, etc I still can&#x27;t believe anyone would stay in a thing like this.<p>Communities should pass laws that any residency being used in this manner (for-profit rental) needs to have regular fire inspection, be up to code when it comes to sensors, have certain levels of liability insurance, and sign affidavits stating there are no cameras and punish violations with large monetary fines. If you&#x27;re going to use your home as a business then it should be treated like one.
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lovecgover 1 year ago
Awesome, another reason to pick Airbnb over traditional hotels which are actually worse!<p>&gt; From January 1, 2005 to December 31, 2018, 905 guests were poisoned in 115 identified incidents, including 22 fatalities. Children represented 16% of those poisoned and 27% of fatalities. Type of lodgings were hotels, motels, and resorts of all classes and located in a majority of states.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;pmc&#x2F;articles&#x2F;PMC6744520&#x2F;#:~:text=From%20January%201%2C%202005%20to,in%20a%20majority%20of%20states" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;pmc&#x2F;articles&#x2F;PMC6744520&#x2F;#:~:tex...</a>.
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