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BMW EV achieves 1000km in range using Dual-Chemistry batteries

71 pointsby ramboldioover 1 year ago

11 comments

lallysinghover 1 year ago
This took a few reads to parse. There are two kinds of batteries: (1) a low-density LFP that has a great lifetime, (2) a simulated manganese using Nickel manganese cobalt that has a poor lifetime but great density. The former cycles frequently for short trips, and the latter recharges it during the long ones.
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trompover 1 year ago
Mercedes achieved a 1000km range with a regular 100kWh battery by making an extremely efficient car with a drag coefficient of only 0.17 [1]<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Mercedes-Benz_Vision_EQXX" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Mercedes-Benz_Vision_EQXX</a>
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acyouover 1 year ago
The LFP is also super cheap, and the NMC are expensive (C in NMC stands for Cobalt which is $$$). You can get 1000km in range with any chemistry, probably even lead-acid if you make it heavy enough. NMC life is fine, but it&#x27;s just expensive&#x2F;impossible to get. Tesla et al are trying to pass off LFP as acceptable, almost all Chinese EVs have LFP, but it&#x27;s super heavy (F stands for Iron, which is heavy). Might be OK if it&#x27;s flat where you live.<p>When the sodium batteries come out, it will be a similar story, sodium having an atomic mass of 11 vs. lithium&#x27;s 3.<p>Anode-free is an interesting new direction, will be interesting to see if they can address the dendrite growth (dendrite growth causes short-circuit, thermal runaway and fires several months or years into service life and is notoriously hard to test for, because you might need to test for a decade under all sorts of conditions in order to see if dendrite growth occurs).<p>If you have the cash, NMC is certainly the better tech. If you want a cost-effective EV, the Chinese have figured this out already (LFP). Mixing them, well, it&#x27;s somewhere in the middle!
1970-01-01over 1 year ago
A 1000km EV range is not news. Aptera is winning the &#x27;range war&#x27; with a 1000 <i>mile</i> (1600 km) EV. And recent battery news should be taken as &#x27;new ice cream flavor discovered&#x27; announcements. What is the actual interesting bit of news here? Their proprietary BMS doing DC to DC seems somewhat trivial.
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MostlyStableover 1 year ago
I watched a youtube video on this recently, and I believe that they never mentioned battery lifetime in it. This article said that one of the chemistries only lasts a few hundred cycles, but, because of the use pattern of the dual chemistry is &quot;expected to last the lifetime of the vehicle&quot;.<p>I really hope this turns out well, but given the current lack of specificity, I&#x27;m going to guess that overall pack longevity is going to be the Achilles heel of this battery.<p>Always happy to see people trying innovative new ideas though. Most of them won&#x27;t work, but we can only find the ones that do if someone tries it. Hope this one turns out better than I fear.
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russfinkover 1 year ago
How do the charging times compare? That’s the deal maker&#x2F;breaker for long road trips greater than 500 miles, or shorter trips where you use all the accessories, encounter lots of hills, etc not possible on a dynamometer.
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natchover 1 year ago
BMW, build a charging network. That’s really the most consequential thing for drivers.
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bwanabover 1 year ago
This seems like cool technology, but I can&#x27;t help but to believe that people are concentrating on the wrong problem. Range is important up to a point, but the more important problems to solve are 1) a recharging infrastructure that makes it so that EVs don&#x27;t need such huge batteries in the first place and 2) recharge speed needs to be at the level of plug-in, use the bathroom, un-plug and go.
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xnxover 1 year ago
&gt; 1000km<p>621 miles
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numpad0over 1 year ago
How did they manage to mix powers from two batteries? The voltages to the bus bar usually has to be kept close for a battery pack to work, usually.
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nortonhamover 1 year ago
uhhh, more public transport please!
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