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Google Groups ending support for Usenet

286 pointsby bilegeekover 1 year ago

24 comments

zafiro17over 1 year ago
The nightmare is over? I&#x27;ve used Usenet for years. Most serious users filter out any post originating from G2 to do away with Google posts. It&#x27;s been a huge source of spam and annoyance.<p>Usenet gets better as it gets smaller, honestly. Most groups are carcasses these days, but several have regular use. comp.misc, misc.news.internet.discuss, and sci.misc are active. Several groups in the comp* hierarchy are active. Thunderbird, claws-mail, sylpheed, tin, slrn, alpine, neomutt all handle Usenet just fine. Visit <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;newsgroupreviews.com" rel="nofollow noreferrer">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;newsgroupreviews.com</a> for a list of providers, some free, some paid.
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kazinatorover 1 year ago
Part of the background for this is that over the past month or more, Usenet has been under an unprecedented spam attack from Google Groups that Google isn&#x27;t doing anything about. People have resorted to filtering everything coming from Google Groups, with a white list, and there are voices calling for de-peering of Google Groups from the Usenet federation.
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1vuio0pswjnm7over 1 year ago
Wish there was some way to give the data Google obtained in the Deja News acquisition back to the public, i.e., allow free public access to all of it as Deja News was doing at the time.<p>(After the acqusitition, for a while Javascript was required to access comp.unix.* groups via Google Groups. Eventually, after years went by, this was fixed. But even then some of the data from these groups and other computing related groups is missing. Neither Google Groups, nor any of the well-known spools from individual archivists, contain _all_ of the data from what was available before the Google acquisition.)
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BixbyUsenetover 1 year ago
I very recently have been accepted as the moderator of an abandoned, moderated group.<p>As such, I needed to find a Usenet provider who would accept posting into moderated groups, from a moderator.<p>I originally contacted Eternal September, and Wolfgang informed me my account had been configured to allow such posting, but it does not work (&quot;account not authorized&quot;) and now he does not respond to email.<p>I then contacted four commercial providers, all of whom did not know about moderated groups, and either failed to respond in a timely manner (a week) or failed to grasp the concept of moderated groups;<p>1. Giganews<p>2. Tweaknews<p>3. Eweka<p>4. Usenetserver<p>Giganews first line support did not know about moderated news-groups. I explained, and once the support staffer understood, a support ticket was created. Giganews claim a few hours response time. When asked about this, they then say up to three days. After seven days, I cancelled the support ticket.<p>Tweakness, Eweka and Usenetserver I think are in fact the same company. I could be completely wrong, but they all use the same support software, have the same options in the drop down lists on their sites, and so on.<p>All did not know about moderated news-groups, and all were unable to grasp the concept, and all then went into that failure mode, where support is giving the wrong answers to questions, not paying attention to what is written, not reading the history of communication, and so finally going into a loop which consisted of them telling me &quot;you need an account to post&quot; (where they meant posting normally - not as a moderator), which they had said before, and which I had replied to before (explaining again about moderated news-groups, to which they explained Usenet is not moderated and anyone can post, etc, etc, etc).<p>After two weeks, I gave up with them.
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supermattover 1 year ago
Google has seemingly reached the pinnacle of uselessness<p>&gt; To find a client, do a web search for &quot;how do I find a usenet text client&quot;<p>Result: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;8VrfuPu" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;8VrfuPu</a>
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jvolkmanover 1 year ago
Most importantly,<p>&gt; You can continue to view and search for historical Usenet content posted before February 22, 2024 on Google Groups.
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LanzVonLover 1 year ago
Oh thank God, this is the best news for Usenet in decades. 100% of Usenet spam now comes from Google.
knight17over 1 year ago
This is one of the few times I can tell Google closing down a product &#x2F; feature is good. Less spam in usenet groups.
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ofrzetaover 1 year ago
Great. Now let&#x27;s revive Usenet and make it a bit complicated as having to use a specialized reader app like tin and make it a resort for people who are a bit sick of the New Internet.
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aaomidiover 1 year ago
Can Google just fucking kill this?<p>Literally all my recruiter spam is coming from groups. Even when I worked at Google internally I raised a ticket with full info of what’s going on and they still haven’t fixed it.<p>(Yes I have the “can’t add me to groups” button on).
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bilekasover 1 year ago
&gt; Much of the content being disseminated via Usenet today is binary (non-text) file sharing, which Google Groups does not support, as well as spam<p>I don&#x27;t know why but I feel this was written by a young gun who doesn&#x27;t know how usenet, irc etc works and just wants to push everyone to discord and slack.
rilindoover 1 year ago
Is still worth giving Usenet a try again? Are there any technology Usenet groups that are still active and worth subscribing to?
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squarefootover 1 year ago
Text-only Usenet shouldn&#x27;t cost much to host and operate, and close to nothing if rethought to be distributed serverless p2p style, possibly encrypted. I was used in the past to wait ~3 days for my Fidonet post and their replies round trips, I don&#x27;t think many people would mind waiting a few minutes for their local msg base to sync with the distributed cloud.
ChrisArchitectover 1 year ago
This was discussed in related talk recently when people thought support was going away because DejaNews wasn&#x27;t working<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=38238796">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=38238796</a><p>The usenet archive will remain.
ferover 1 year ago
&quot;You&#x27;re not leaving me, I&#x27;m leaving you!&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jfloren.net&#x2F;b&#x2F;2023&#x2F;10&#x2F;12&#x2F;0" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jfloren.net&#x2F;b&#x2F;2023&#x2F;10&#x2F;12&#x2F;0</a>
nixassover 1 year ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=35937637">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=35937637</a><p>Just a reminder that there was online Usenet discussion for the fall of Berlin wall, in real time.<p>Amazing
beej71over 1 year ago
Eternal October...?
standardUserover 1 year ago
This post brought my down a rabbit hole of early internet technologies, leading to a search for the two PC newsmagazines I used to read for free as a teenager in my Bay Area suburb in the late 90&#x27;s, which ended at this Usenet post hosted by... Google.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;groups.google.com&#x2F;g&#x2F;alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt&#x2F;c&#x2F;nr_FPyc22hE&#x2F;m&#x2F;Y7ixubMtWYkJ?pli=1" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;groups.google.com&#x2F;g&#x2F;alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt&#x2F;c...</a>
pramover 1 year ago
What’s the state of the art in Usenet clients these days? Last time I had a giganews account I was still using Mozilla lol
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mnd999over 1 year ago
Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
jraphover 1 year ago
Cool, this means it the end of the occasional Google Groups link to Usenet posts.<p>This also means many broken links, I hope a solution will be found for this.
mkoryakover 1 year ago
Usenet was good for file sharing back when newzbin indexing existed. Is there anything around like that today?
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phendrenad2over 1 year ago
For once Google is doing the right thing.
sgammonover 1 year ago
me: sundar i want firebase to work with bazel<p>sundar: we are working on an amazing new ai<p>sundar later:
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