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Tim Berners-Lee: we don't need arbitrary new TLDs

89 pointsby leejw00t354about 13 years ago

12 comments

rlpbabout 13 years ago
Making the root domain a free-for-all effectively promotes what .com was to the global root. We can only do this once, and then the root namespace is gone forever.<p>We will never again be able to create new top level domains that have special restricted meanings, such as .arpa, .gov and the concept of country TLDs[1]. Any sensible name that we want to use will probably already be taken. Even it is not taken, a new special purpose name would never be able to differentiate from squatters using the same level of the namespace.<p>Not only that, but the special casing of existing TLDs such as .gov could get diluted to the point that the majority will not recognise them as official any more.<p>There is a place for free-for-all on domain name registrations, and it is .com.<p>[1] I presume that they will reserve two letter registrations for the specific case of new countries coming into existence, but my point is about the concept of new uses, rather than this specific case.
anamaxabout 13 years ago
If only we had gone with the other order for domain names, that is com.disney.www instead of www.disney.com.<p>Then browser TLD defaulting would have handled most cases and we could have had additional conventions (such as *.store). (The "www." subdomain is basically useless.)
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setrofim_about 13 years ago
The US are claiming legal dominion* over all domains under a large number of TLD's (.com, .org, etc.). New TLD's may help mitigate that.<p>*<a href="http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/feds-seize-foreign-sites/" rel="nofollow">http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/feds-seize-foreign-...</a><p>"If you just add one character to the length of the domain name you have 26 times as many names you can choose from. There's no shortage."<p>True, but TLD's like .pepsi and .HTC are a lot easier to remember than random combinations of letter.
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zalewabout 13 years ago
I'm not a fan too, but there's one huge advantage of extending the TLD space - we'll get out of the mindset of mainstream audience that only .com/net/org is a 'serious' domain and maybe there will be no more ridiculous bids like color.com in the future.
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runn1ngabout 13 years ago
do we need TLD at <i>all</i>?<p>It is not my idea, but really, should't we abolish the TLD in general? Instead of <a href="http://google.com" rel="nofollow">http://google.com</a>, <a href="http://google.de" rel="nofollow">http://google.de</a>, <a href="http://google.tv" rel="nofollow">http://google.tv</a> .... we would get just <a href="http://google" rel="nofollow">http://google</a> .<p>The reason why we have geographical TLD is just political anyway.
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downx3about 13 years ago
What a load of rot. You're better to advertise something generic such as 'visit the &#60;brand&#62; website.' or 'find us online', rather than a barrage of non memorable domain names and various social media urls. This is such an elaborate con.
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kijinabout 13 years ago
What we don't need is a bunch of stupid TLDs that do nothing but make existing domain owners feel like they need to buy more.<p>What we really need is a single new TLD that is <i>distributed</i> so that it cannot be controlled by any particular government or corporation. Something like dot-bit.org, but with more momentum behind it.
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cjmauthorabout 13 years ago
I think that adding new TLD's is inevitable as the internet continues to grow. I really believe the crux of the issue here is actually a two part external one, not the inevitable adding of TLD's. First, there is the problem of how the law on TLD's which is ambiguous at best, will deal with cybersquatting and other legal issues related to TLD's. Additionally, the larger and second part of my argument is how the search engines will add this to their already confused algorithms.
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jamespittsabout 13 years ago
I usually agree with TimBL on everything, but not this time.<p>New or newly popularized TLDs represent new business and cultural territory. Without this new territory, the consumer "domain name memoryscape" inhibits the adoption of new business and artistic ideas.<p>It might even be a good idea to make it as arbitrary as possible: every year, choose one random two letter and several three-letter domains. Then let creativity decide how to make use of .kfi and .iz.
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gamblerabout 13 years ago
Will there be .news, .games, .tech, etc. and if so, who will own them? And will they will be available for registration by normal people? Will normal people trust the owners enough to actually reguster subdonanes?<p>Those would be logical TLDs to have, but somehow I don't see ICANN encouraging their creation.
mistercowabout 13 years ago
&#62;He said that dot org was interesting because it captures the fact that you know that any website with that suffix is a non-profit.<p>This is simply false. There is no requirement whatsoever for .org domains and there are countless examples of .org domains owned by for-profit companies.
nerdfilesabout 13 years ago
I'm sorry to play this card, but this is the (Tower of Babel)[<a href="http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(King_James)/Genesis#11:5" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(King_James)/Genesis#11:...</a>] all over again.<p>Perhaps the analogy is unnecessary, or even harmful, to make. But typically I have been taught, or rather I have learned by direct method, that some Christians believe BIBLE is an abbreviation, albeit a cheeky one, for "Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth".<p>Often I wonder what the "imperative mood" of this document is supposed to be. Obviously it is not descriptive qua scientific authorship. We shouldn't assume this, surely, since a sophisticated method of science had not been yielded to the Hebrews of that time, etc. But yet it struggles, and seemingly succeeds, at preserving its descriptive weight, as vacuous as it is, in a time of reason and science. So we claim that it is allegory and tale. And so what if is? What is it describing? Like Aristotle, I believe, it describes a cycle of civilization: humanity's response to itself.<p>Obviously "God" in the story of the Tower of Babel is nothing more than the height of political force of Shinar. It responds to what they have built. So here we see the "confounding" of their language; like in our time, a confounding of the DNS system. What motivates this story? To what end does it serve?<p>Surely the U.S. government seeks to bolster the economy through its will, by "securing" our economic creativity. For "now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do."<p>As we can clearly see this is a response to Otto Neurath, the Logical Positivists, the adoption of ideal, scientific and pragmatic languages, etc. Neurath sought to liberate the proletariat of his time through a technological mode of thought applied to language: complex symbols efficiently characterized such that they might contain chains of propositions. The illiterate worker thus might be informed through a proximity of symbol to nature. Today, we see this with technology: big-face-hypermodern-informational-UIs-with-geriatric-buttons, usability research, cognitive-neuroscience centered on atypical neuropathologies, the mobile web, Helvetica, etc.<p>The U.S. will respond as it should, and I play this card because, in the end, the only argument we face from politicians is an uncritical one: _what we've been doing works, so it must work_. How much influence these governments have on ICANN is unclear to me, but given the list of possible TLDs; e.g., pepsi, etc., it isn't tough to reach for the assumption.
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