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You Don't Need HTML

95 pointsby tomhazledineover 1 year ago

17 comments

dschuesslerover 1 year ago
This is fun and I understand it&#x27;s a joke.<p>But since so many people do not understand the importance of HTML for accessibility, I feel the need to stress that this page may be a horrible experience for non-sighted people.<p>To sighted people, obscure unicode characters may look like text in a different font, but do they for screen readers? The same goes for ASCII art and the tables on this page.<p>Do all the fun stuff! But please draw the right conclusions for real-world projects.
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franky47over 1 year ago
RFCs were originally formatted as plain-text, and render well on most browsers (as long as the viewport width can fit 70 characters).<p>The first time I inspected one in a modern browser devtools, I was confused: &quot;where&#x27;s the HTML? How do they do this layout?&quot;. It&#x27;s done with spaces, same way as you would with a typewriter.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.rfc-editor.org&#x2F;rfc&#x2F;rfc2324.txt" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.rfc-editor.org&#x2F;rfc&#x2F;rfc2324.txt</a>
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chrismorganover 1 year ago
I’m puzzled by the first line, the HTML framing. Why not just serve it `content-type: text&#x2F;plain; charset=utf-8`?
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dexwizover 1 year ago
This reminds me of the old GameFAQs before everything was monetized blogspam. You knew you had a good guide if it had a decent ASCII art header.
8n4vidtmkvmkover 1 year ago
Responsive... &quot;In that it generates a violent response from web designers. &quot;<p>Didn&#x27;t know about plaintext.l element. Could have just set content-type: text&#x2F;plain; charset=utf8 though. Then it really would be no html
perilunarover 1 year ago
You absolutely can make a website without <i>any</i> HTML, not even a scrap of invalid markup.<p>Just use SVG. It does not need to be embedded in HTML to work.
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dschuesslerover 1 year ago
&gt; &lt;meta charset=&quot;UTF-8&quot;&gt; is real. Without this, text encoding sniffing takes places and some browsers just displayed rubbish.<p>I am curious. Which browsers do this? I thought this tag is unnecessary in HTML5 because the information that the page is UTF-8 encoded is already implicitly conveyed by the DOCTYPE. (UTF-8 is the only encoding allowed for HTML5.)
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radoover 1 year ago
Funny, but I’m saying it seriously as a countermeasure to the bloat epidemic. An SMS parking app doesn’t even need Internet and works fine. Use the simplest technology to achieve a goal and enhance.
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xialvjunover 1 year ago
Add less, ship less, worry about less. -- HTML is all you need to make a website<p>But if I could, I&#x27;d like to add none, ship none, worry about none. My employer made me add so many shit. I have no choice.
eternityforestover 1 year ago
It would be fun to have something like Advent of code, but for arbitrary restrictions.<p>The grand finale could be making something without using a computer at all or buying anything (Not even for research, you have to use actual books or talk to people), and trying to use as little tech as possible.<p>Like, you can use a power drill, but if you use a brace and bit you get extra points. You can document with a phone camera but if you can draw you might want to illustrate instead.
cliffbuxtonover 1 year ago
I particularly like the Arecibo message part. Shame the OG site doesn&#x27;t seem to be up, but glad there&#x27;s a waybackmachine link in the post
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daemonologistover 1 year ago
I was expecting this to be all JS drawing to a canvas (which, I know, is technically HTML) but this is pretty good too.
forgotmypw17over 1 year ago
Thanks for the tip about &lt;plaintext&gt;. I think it will be very useful in some cases.
vcg3rdover 1 year ago
It&#x27;s been years since I saw it, but there was someone who was convinced pdf should have become the standard for web pages and did a site in pdf only.<p>Assuming I remember correctly.
ggmover 1 year ago
We all need more EBCDIC in our lives. The flow chart is lying.
tannhaeuserover 1 year ago
&quot;We&#x27;re way out of our league here.<p>After all, we&#x27;re up against the brightest minds in the world, the scientists who invented the world wide web.&quot;<p>And besides, what about links?
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failTideover 1 year ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;yourworldoftext.com" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;yourworldoftext.com</a> has a similar aesthetic, although JS-based