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Probe says Hans Niemann didn't cheat against Magnus Carlsen

25 pointsby pain_perduover 1 year ago

9 comments

enlythover 1 year ago
&gt;We apologize, but your web browser is configured in such a way that it is preventing this site from implementing required components that protect your privacy and allow you to view and change your privacy settings. This functionality is required for privacy legislation in your region.<p>&gt;We recommend you use a different browser or disable the “EasyList Cookie” filter from your “Content Filtering” settings<p>No, I will not:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;IPAPF" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;IPAPF</a>
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erulabsover 1 year ago
They just had to word it this way, didn’t they? It couldn’t have been an “investigation” this time, CNN?<p>Shameless, but still funny.
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gwernover 1 year ago
No, what it said was that it didn&#x27;t find evidence he cheated. A failure to reject the null does not mean you should accept the null. As has been noted, current techniques are just unable to detect subtle cheating by GMs, and Niemann would have done so subtly.<p>Given that this probe also shows Niemann has been lying and cheating even more extensively than has been known before, this should make you assume that he is cheating everywhere else he can get away with it until proven otherwise.
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plopzover 1 year ago
It did find however that he cheated more recently than he previously admitted.<p>&gt;Professor Regan analysed some of the games mentioned in the Chess.com Report, and his statistical analysis showed fewer instances of cheating in comparison with the Report, bringing the range down to 32-55 games cheated in. The analysis of the Chess.com Report revealed discrepancies in GM Niemann´s statement- he claimed the cheating took place when he was 12 and 16 years old, but games of 2017 and the games against Bok in August of 2020 occurred after he turned 17 in June. Another important discrepancy is that the cheating took place in rated online games.
TriangleEdgeover 1 year ago
The chess.com article (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.chess.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;CHESScom&#x2F;hans-niemann-report" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.chess.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;CHESScom&#x2F;hans-niemann-report</a>) is much more throughout, and a better source of information.<p>In the article: &quot;Despite the public speculation on these questions, in our view, there is no direct evidence that proves Hans cheated at the September 4, 2022 game with Magnus, or proves that he has cheated in other OTB games in the past.&quot;<p>Personally, I find Niemann&#x27;s mannerisms during interviews highly suspect, as unscientific as that may be.
janalsncmover 1 year ago
Have to say I’m just a little skeptical of Ken Regen’s statistical methods. Of course it’s a touchy subject because there’s a strong incentive not to reveal his methods, but he also seems to have more or less of a monopoly on authority on the matter.
unsupp0rtedover 1 year ago
&gt; However, the EDC did find Carlsen guilty of withdrawing from the 2022 Sinquefield Cup “without valid reason.” He was fined €10,000 ($10,800) as a result.
clipsyover 1 year ago
&quot;A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes.&quot;
valianteffortover 1 year ago
&gt;probe<p>Heh, wonder if the author realized this.