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How do you generate passive income?

151 pointsby myoung8over 16 years ago
Online? Real estate? Investing?

33 comments

lionheartedover 16 years ago
I'm a little late to the party, but here's the formula:<p>Scalable revenue-generating assets.<p>Let's work backwards on that:<p>Asset: We're going to call an asset as something that can generate value or appreciate in value. So your 2005 Honda Civic is not an asset, but a 1969 Corvette Stingray might be. Websites can be assets, so can intellectual property, contracts, royalties, real estate, stocks, etc. So step 1 - you need asset. Things that can go up in value, or generate value.<p>Revenue-generating: You can buy for appreciation, but that takes a lot more money and skill. So you want revenue-generating assets to get passive income: That means things that kick out money regularly. That would be real estate where the rents are higher than the PITI (principle, interest, taxes, and insurance) + maintenance. That could be a website that you can make money from - ad revenues, product sales, etc. It could be something you've written that you get royalties from.<p>Scalable: And here's the magic that puts it all together - scalable means you can build it bigger without it demanding more of your time/resources (like a job does). Real estate with positive cashflow tends to be scalable, because if the property appreciates even 10%, traditionally you can mortgage a new property. If you don't mind doing repairs/adding value, you can mortgage a new place, repair/upgrade it to get higher rents, do so, have it appreciate, use the new equity to get a new place with cashflow, etc. Some high percentage of self-made millionaires in the USA are from real estate due to this fact.<p>There's other ways to get scalability. Obviously a useful website, or something with automated fulfillment or marketing. But scalability is key: All the time, if you want passive income, you need to spend money out of your profits to remove time and automate more. So pay a fulfillment company $2.50 per package (on top of the postage) to mail your thingy for you. Get into automated marketing with Adwords or Adsense. Look to ink deals that'll keep paying you without you putting in more effort.<p>The formula's Scalable Revenue-generating Assets. That's how to build gradual increasing passive income. It's harder than it sounds (like everything worthwhile is), but completely doable if that's what your goals are. Just don't forget that active income is pretty cool if you love what you do.
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iamelgringoover 16 years ago
From the 4 Hour Work Week: * Create a product worth $50-150 * Advertise online and in niche magazines * Sell product online * Outsource order fulfillment (delivery) * Outsource customer support<p>Really, you want to read the 4 Hour Work Week. It goes through how to do this step by step.
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jaxnover 16 years ago
Five years ago I opened a retail clothing franchise with my father and wife. It took a long time to get here, but now we have two stores and I spend little time on them (10 hours a month maybe?).<p>It is hard to have true passive income, but this is pretty close. Owner involvement is definitely key to the success of a small business, but we have a managing partner which reduces the time I spend on that business.<p>The great thing about passive income is that it affords me the opportunity to try and create additional revenue streams. Right now I am launching <a href="http://statzen.com" rel="nofollow">http://statzen.com</a>. I assume that will also take several years of hard work, but it is enjoyable work.
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mattmaroonover 16 years ago
Selling Vitamins! Here's the thing: you get 3 people under you selling vitamins, and you make money off of their sales! Then each of them gets 3 people, and now you're making money off of 9 people! And so on and so forth.<p>Our program pays you for 3 levels below you in our sales matrix, so if you have 5 people per level you can be receiving profits from 125 people selling vitamins!
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helveticamanover 16 years ago
I'm not sure there is such a thing as completely passive income. Wealthy investors (think China, Saudi Arabia, and Japan) have a lot of money (say 70 trillion) and thousands of people trying to allocate it efficiently. They don't do so well. Why would you?<p>Also, my understanding is that real interests rates are currently negative. On top of it all, the combination of a nominal capital gains tax and inflation means you lose ((inflation * .15) * your net worth) every year in this manner, at least if you are a US citizen. In light of all this, perhaps you should consider spending money on your intellect; it's not taxed, and it has some degree of liquidity. Alternatively, buy a cheap foreclosed house and rent it out; that may be profitable right now.
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dkokelleyover 16 years ago
<a href="http://ampmnotebook.com" rel="nofollow">http://ampmnotebook.com</a>. I resell the Chronotebook from Muji. I basically order in bulk from Muji to resell individually. Set up the site, strap adwords on it and get emails from PayPal saying "You've got cash!" Then I have to order the books, package them, and run them to the post office. Not exactly passive income but most of the hard work is automated.
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petercooperover 16 years ago
Google Adsense used to be a really big deal for me. It's dropped in the last month or two though.<p>Site / blog sponsorships. I'm not talking text link ads but actual sponsorships from key companies in my sector. It's not big money but enough for me to spend my time working on what I want rather than what I have to.<p>In the past, I had revenue generating webapps, but I sold those in order to build some capital for future projects, savings, etc. I should probably get on to building another to be fair..<p>Oh, some low-maintenance Web hosting and domain registrations too for ultra old Web design clients (when I did that sort of thing). Keeps the servers paid up for me to use for my own stuff :)
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critkeover 16 years ago
online with <a href="http://uploadthingy.com" rel="nofollow">http://uploadthingy.com</a> - not totally passive - new users sometimes need some help - but once they're subscribed - well, they're subscribed.
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btw0over 16 years ago
I built a job listing site <a href="http://job2you.cn" rel="nofollow">http://job2you.cn</a> (in Chinese) days ago, I plan to charge RMB 1000 per job post in the future when possible.
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rivoover 16 years ago
Songwriting. Royalties. It wears off after a while, though. I'm not John Lennon. And it's not stable income. But still. It feels great when the check arrives.
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cpercivaover 16 years ago
I'm hoping that tarsnap (<a href="http://www.tarsnap.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tarsnap.com/</a>, online backups for the truly paranoid) will end up providing a passive income stream at some point in the future. I'm trying to take myself out of the day-to-day running of the service by automating as much as possible; of course, right now I'm still writing new code to improve tarsnap.<p>That said, tarsnap isn't profitable yet, so the fact that it can keep itself running without help from me doesn't make it a passive <i>income</i> stream yet. :-/
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snoidover 16 years ago
sleeping at work
dangroverover 16 years ago
I write Mac &#38; iPhone software: <a href="http://www.wonderwarp.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.wonderwarp.com</a>
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hbienover 16 years ago
Referrals - <a href="http://djangohosting.org" rel="nofollow">http://djangohosting.org</a>, it's very passive =]<p>I also make desktop software, but I think that's very active - <a href="http://gearsquare.com/actiongear/" rel="nofollow">http://gearsquare.com/actiongear/</a>
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mikeyurover 16 years ago
Hopefully my little site I just launched, <a href="http://allblogjobs.com" rel="nofollow">http://allblogjobs.com</a> , will earn me a few bucks (at least enough to cover my diet dr. pepper addiction)
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ComputerGuruover 16 years ago
There's no such thing as lazy money.
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kbrowerover 16 years ago
I made a website that helps you get free shipping on amazon.com(have not worked on it for years and it shows) <a href="http://www.filleritem.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.filleritem.com</a>
stanleyover 16 years ago
Developing niche sites about topics that I find interesting. The residual income is derived from AdSense, affiliate sales, link sales, banner sales, etc. I focus 80% of my time on new/large projects, the remaining 20% on maintaining older sites. Here's an example site: <a href="http://www.applemacbook.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.applemacbook.com</a>
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fehilyover 16 years ago
I wrote a few (new editions of existing) books:<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/103-3188513-3470248?field-keywords=chris%20fehily&#38;url=index%3Dblended" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/103-3188...</a>
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michaelnealeover 16 years ago
Realestate (in the past), interest (boring), dividends (yes some companies still pay !).<p>booring... I like the iphone answer better ;) Wish that was me !
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jfornearover 16 years ago
I still get allowance
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babulover 16 years ago
I have been working on my passive income streams for a few years now, in all 3 areas mentioned (and some others), I don't know how much value I can add but here is my real-life $0.02.<p>PROPERTY: Real estate generates good returns principally because the numbers are large to start with so even modest returns on the investment can be very substantial in real terms. It is low risk if you are sensible and crunch some numbers beforehand (to ensure affordability).<p>If you buy a good house at a good price (mortgage long-term affordable for you even at low occupancy/yield rates) in a good area you will generally be able to rent it easily at a good return. If the property increases in value, that should be treated as a bonus. Get a few houses in same area and options such as hiring agents to find/manage tenants and maintenance companies to look after the properties become cost effective (though even with many houses on rent I still found it was cheap and easy to manage these myself and still work fulltime, the key is to have a list of good trusted tradesmen willing to do jobs for you when you need them and pay them well (above market rate) for doing a good job – it is cheaper in the long run and property is best played as a long-term game).<p>Buy near places that always have good and constant footfall and preferably long-term renters e.g. near universities (students will rent 1-2years generally) or centers of commerce (office staff typically rent ~6months but will pay more rent and have less wear-and-tear on your house). Favour long-term tenants on cheaper rents less likely to bother you (usually they will appreciate you charge them less and do most minor DIY jobs themselves, plus you will have more candidates to choose from so can be more selective).<p>WEB: Websites/Online is far more hit-and-miss and frankly unless you are building a mass-market and scalable product/service, ideally something people want, it does not seem worthwhile to me. For better or worse (generally better), you are already competing on a globalised playing field (with more competition, copycats, lower barriers to entry etc.) and without the captivity intrinsic to property. I am sure many aspire to become the next FaceBook or social-network-thingy but that generally seems hard work and risky (er, Pownce.com?). Focus on a disruptive technology product (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disruptive_technology" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disruptive_technology</a>) making use of new advances as they emerge, ideally combining or converging two or more disciplines, aimed towards a fixed market willing to pay seems a better bet. However, as I gear towards that, I have initially opted for the easy-wins of technically less complex but almost totally automated and revenue generating product-based sites like <a href="http://www.sportingglory.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.sportingglory.com</a>. So far this has been working very well. Once setup, they require less than 4 hours per week combined, and provide long-term passive value without further the need for major enhancement [if they were on a the BCG Matrix, <a href="http://www.12manage.com/methods_bcgmatrix.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.12manage.com/methods_bcgmatrix.html</a>, they would be cash-calfs ;)]. I am now at the stage I can start having a go at the more adventurous sites/products. Hence, for websites, I would treat them as businesses initially and go for things you know you can build and create revenue from, and convert them into passive streams later in the lifecycle (but you already know that).<p>INVESTING: Investing (stocks, shares, bonds, savings accounts etc.) has proved to provide constant but modest returns but that is primarily because I am not a risk taker in areas I know little or nothing about and hence have always invested in safe products/funds and stayed away from the stock market. This has by far been the easiest way to make modest amounts of money (4-8% p.a.) for almost zero effort (on my part) as most products can be bought/setup/created in a few hours/days (trackers, bonds, funds) and managed by a fund manager, or minutes (savings), with little more than needing to know what the rough interest rate will be. It is a good way to park cash for a while, especially if you are lazy.<p>However, given that many of the people with the largest passive incomes on the planet (as well as some of the richest) belong to the world of Finance, I am sure effort spent learning about how to operate and navigate in the Finance world and invest wisely would provide the best forms of passive income I can achieve, but sadly I have no real interest in it.<p>TRADITIONAL BUSINESSES: Bricks-and-mortar business in conjunction with a partner, and the understanding that later on they will run the daily business while you remain in a supporting role, has provided both the best experiences and passive income I have achieved so far. This works especially well in simple businesses e.g. restaurants/bars, where once things are up and running, they basically run themselves (and they are fun to set up). Eventually even your partner will basically just oversee staff and could run several outlets. If you apply this to several businesses e.g. an estate agents, a law firm, an accounting practice, and a I.T. services company, you unsurprisingly have a series of businesses that literally grow each other, requiring little or no extra time or effort from you.<p>(OTHERS: I'll save it for another day/thread. Way past my bedtime and it is showing in the writing...)
ajhaveriover 16 years ago
a friend and I are doing it through <a href="http://www.smbzen.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.smbzen.com</a> it's not exactly passive income - we've been writing blog posts (<a href="http://bizjournal.smbzen.com" rel="nofollow">http://bizjournal.smbzen.com</a>) to attract the target audience through long tail searches, but it's been working so for, plus, the blog is nice way to pick up some <i>business</i> material to compliment the tech background.
babulover 16 years ago
A portfolio of passive income web-properties that can be administered from anywhere ...that <i>is</i> the dream.
s_baarover 16 years ago
Prezzle.com still generates payments from Cambrian House. It's a way to send gift-cards without the user just getting an unthoughtful email or to send a message for free that can't be opened until a specific time.
jordanfover 16 years ago
www.kallow.com
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kajecounterhackover 16 years ago
SEO consulting. It's actually sort of funny how little work I do relative to how much people will pay for it.
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radu_floricicaover 16 years ago
Rent on custom business software.
chris_lover 16 years ago
There's no such thing as a free meal.
transburghover 16 years ago
iPhone app
donniefitz2over 16 years ago
Crack cocaine, my friend. Not passive, but lucrative. I kid. I kid.
vakselover 16 years ago
I don't. With real estate and investing, a decade of growth can get wiped out in 1 week. No stability whatsoever. Sure its fine to play with a disposable amount and hope for a win, but just like Vegas, you have to approach it with willingness to lose everything.<p>Oh and I don't mean that first house, as an investment....I mean that 2nd and 3rd you buy, hoping to make a few hundred K in a couple of years.<p>So for passive, you gotta go with something safe. Stuff like gov't bonds etc. Because otherwise you are pretty much guaranteed to lose a ton of money.
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jmtameover 16 years ago
I'm sorry, but this topic is stupid. And I don't know why everyone upvoted it.<p>Do you honestly think you can get money passively? As in by doing nothing? Downvote me all you want, but I'm actually disappointed to see a thread like this on the home page of hacker news.<p>You guys should know that there is no such thing as "passive income" and anything worth doing is going to be difficult. You are wasting your time trying to find these "do nothing and make money" or "get rich quick" schemes.
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