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Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

355 pointsby publicprivacyover 1 year ago
Hello HN,<p>Does anyone have experience getting back into tech&#x2F;startups post-felony?<p>I have been looking for work since I was released for an assault charge in November 2022.<p>Previously I worked in Information Security as a SecOps Eng, most recently at Tinder. Between lack of recent job experience, and my record, I have been through a series of offer reneges, recruiters ghosting me, or going into HR resume black holes.<p>I am eager to get back into tech and feel like my old self adding value to a great team&#x2F;org.<p>Anyone have leads on companies that are open to taking chances on good candidates with less than sparkling backgrounds?<p>NOTE: My offense was not computer&#x2F;finance&#x2F;fraud&#x2F;selling drugs&#x2F;physical violence&#x2F;based at all.<p>Here is my linkedin:<p>https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.linkedin.com&#x2F;in&#x2F;saunderscaleb&#x2F;

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nope00over 1 year ago
Nov’22 is very recent, and won’t be your experience forever. It’s been a little over 20 years for me. Now, I get background checked every year. It doesn’t show.<p>Initially I worked in food service and on phpfreelancer. I spun that into consistent consulting work until a client offered a full time position (less than 15 people, no background checks).<p>As the years rolled by, I kept moving around. Eventually I tried at a large company(around 8 years ago) and nothing showed on the background check.<p>I do NOT recommend being upfront, unless there are no formal procedures in place and being honest actually helps. We are talking about your ability to feed and shelter yourself, so give up on the “honesty” thing. I have -never- been able to provide for myself after having been “honest”. [edit: after reading felonintexas let me update this. If someone point blank asks, tell them. Don’t volunteer this information. There is nothing to be gained]<p>Also, you are now an edge case. That means most advice doesn’t apply. This is both exciting and horribly anxiety driving at the same time. You will have to become comfortable blazing your own path and doing things others say is not possible.<p>Seriously, good luck. It is possible. It is amazing what you can do that everyone else thinks can’t be done.
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dangover 1 year ago
There used to be a YC startup dedicated to this, which unfortunately no longer exists. I don&#x27;t know the backstory on that, but I do remember that there was quite a large Launch HN thread:<p><i>Launch HN: 70MillionJobs (YC S17) – Job board for people with criminal records</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=14911467">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=14911467</a> - Aug 2017 (506 comments)<p>I link it here in case there might still be useful information or tips in those comments. If there are other related threads, we can list them here too.<p>Edit: also this (via jph&#x27;s comment below):<p><i>Tell HN: I&#x27;m Afraid We&#x27;re Shutting Down</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=31598978">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=31598978</a> - June 2022 (353 comments)
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felon_in_texasover 1 year ago
This is a &quot;throwaway&quot; account for obvious reasons.<p>I did some terrible things when I was 19 that I won&#x27;t go into details, but after working as a developer for a few years, served a six-year sentence from 2003-2009.<p>Upon release, I leveraged some old contacts to get a bit of contracting work. In time I found more contracting work, mostly working for smaller companies on a 1099 basis. (direct, not through a firm) In time a local contract turned into a job, and I&#x27;ve been with the company since. I&#x27;m the lead developer and own the entire stack, from the cloud to the front-end. I&#x27;ve made myself very valuable to them, and earn an income that&#x27;s well over market (early on they offered me a percentage of profits as compensation)<p>I still continue to do contracting on a small basis (small companies tend to not bind you with onerous terms keeping you from doing so). Some of them I&#x27;ve even found on HN.<p>Anything involving a background check is a no-go. Most traditional employment situations, especially with &quot;big&quot; companies is a no-go. Sometimes you have to hustle a bit more, but honestly, I feel like owning your career with an entrepreneurial mindset is something everyone can benefit from.<p>Most of my clients have no idea about my past. A few have learned, but it didn&#x27;t disqualify me. I was transparent when asked.
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jphover 1 year ago
I worked at 70 Million Jobs (YC) to help people with records get jobs. Here&#x27;s my advice FWIW.<p>Your experience in security operations is in demand, so that&#x27;s a big plus for you. Seek work that you can do via external environments, meaning you don&#x27;t need to be on-site, and don&#x27;t need to have internal access. Ideally you can create an LLC so you can work for yourself.<p>A few examples... 1. Doing compliance-oriented security reviews via cloned systems (e.g. your customer provides you with a non-live copy). 2. Advising on process commitments (e.g. security SLAs, or UML&#x2F;Visio&#x2F;EA diagrams, or declarative configurations). 3. Effecting security-related project management task plans (e.g. pilots, proof of concepts, research adjuncts, resource estimations).
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publicprivacyover 1 year ago
Thank you all for your perspective, and suggestions.<p>I was on a bad psychedelic trip, accompanied with some other issues at the time and ending up making threatening statements to a very high level official, but no battery occurred whatsoever. Thank goodness, or I would <i>probably</i> not be writing this message
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felon1234567890over 1 year ago
I have a felony dui from 2010. No deaths, injuries or crashes or anything like that just found myself over the limit a few times in the days before lyft&#x2F;uber.<p>I had to focus on jobs with small companies that did no checks. There were so many times I declined jobs when I saw the background check just to avoid the shame. It&#x27;s a waiting game until it falls off the threshold of places caring.<p>Eventually I got a job as a federal contractor working with semi sensitive metadata. I didn&#x27;t need a clearance but had to get a public trust. Was still grilled by DIA trying to determine if i could be compromised. I am so glad I don&#x27;t have to check the box anymore and have stayed out of trouble. 2 months of jail, 3 years of probation and another 10 years of shame. Good riddance. Today I make 170k as one of the main senior engineers. Good luck!<p>Ps some states have laws against asking if you&#x27;re a felon. Cali and Colo might be 2. Look into remote jobs in those states after researching that.
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runjakeover 1 year ago
I don&#x27;t have much helpful to add, but I had a colleague who had a bad night, acquired some felony charges for a firearm-related assault and they got fired&#x2F;blacklisted for a few years.<p>Subsequently, they did IT contract work behind the scenes with small contractors, kept in touch with his professional network, was super helpful to the rest of us, and after serious concerns and much debate, got back into his prior career with a new employer.<p>I don&#x27;t even know how, because normally a felony would be a no-hire, but he pulled it off, likely because he was so helpful and giving to his professional network throughout this mess.
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alt2319over 1 year ago
Yes. I have a federal felony conviction for fraud involving a computer, against a former employer. Good times.<p>I&#x27;ve worked for 2-4 companies since then, depending on how you count acquisitions. I&#x27;ve even been trusted to write code that has touched a lot of financial transactions for customers. I doubt I would have been able to stay employed if I didn&#x27;t have some dedicated advocates, mostly at the CTO level.<p>At my last (very small) company, my background never even came up. No check at all.<p>I&#x27;ve also spent a few years scraping by as an indie mobile developer with up to 15 apps in the different stores. With just a bit of a corporate shield, nobody even needs to know who you are.<p>In the software&#x2F;IT field, I&#x27;ve met and even worked with plenty of people with criminal records. Multiple DUIs. Two that were convicted of vehicular manslaughter or something similar. Plenty of drug offenses.<p>You may want to check out Underdog Devs. You&#x27;re likely too experienced for their mentee program but at one time they had a good list of tech companies willing to hire people with criminal records.
throwawaymypotover 1 year ago
(Throw away account for obvious reasons)<p>I experienced this. Due to various undiagnosed mental health issues I ended up with a serious record in the UK - a total of 15 charges, all computer related.<p>Due to the clear lack of malicious intent I didn&#x27;t serve any time, but did get shackled with: 12 months suspended for 12 months; 10 years on the sex offenders register; 7 years sexual harm prevention order; and 5 years of something else I can&#x27;t remember.<p>Every computer I touch - whilst in the UK - should have &quot;monitoring&quot; software installed, which pretty much ruled out any office job, let alone tech.<p>So after 2 failed suicide attempts and a stay in hospital I decided to completely reinvent myself and start from scratch. Time to hit the big reset button. Legally I have to reveal my convictions ahead of signing a contract in the UK. I got frog-marched out of several buildings by security after the interviews were terminated immediately when I revealed my convictions. I was basically unemployable in the UK and decided to leave and never return. Even after the 10 years is up I am still required to declare &quot;spent convictions&quot; for 5&#x2F;6 years. This would take me close to my 50th birthday until I no longer have to say anything - 15 years from conviction date.<p>It took 1 year to &quot;create&quot; a new identity, including complete change of name, severing any connection with friends, and faking an employment history.<p>I moved abroad with my new identity and hoped for the best... and so far have had an incredibly successful career (post-conviction), and the one thing which has driven me is being good enough that IF my employer learns of my past, they will weigh up what I offer them vs. what I have done in my past.<p>I remain forever optimistic because _I have to_ . There is no other option.
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realmike33over 1 year ago
I do a lot of non profit work with the formerly incarcerated. Here are some resources I hope helps you out:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jailstojobs.org&#x2F;second-chance-employers-network&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jailstojobs.org&#x2F;second-chance-employers-network&#x2F;</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.centerforworkforceinclusion.org&#x2F;our-work&#x2F;formerly-incarcerated&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.centerforworkforceinclusion.org&#x2F;our-work&#x2F;formerl...</a><p>---<p>Not sure if you have linkedin or anything but I&#x27;d like to stay connected
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lauraliftsover 1 year ago
Have you contacted <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nextchapterproject.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nextchapterproject.org&#x2F;</a>?<p>They do training and placements aimed at getting formerly incarcerated people into tech roles. I don&#x27;t know if they work with folks like you with experience already but I&#x27;d say it&#x27;s worth a try.<p>I used to work at Slack, which founded this program.
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kyproover 1 year ago
I know this is a controversial view, but I think employers should not be allowed to run background checks unless important for the role (government work, access to children, etc) and where it is important for the role it should only return the criminal convictions that might be relevant to the role.<p>If you were arrested for robbery when you were younger perhaps because you had a drug addiction then that person should have a right to serve their time and change their ways later in life without the state holding and distributing that to any potential employer, practically ensuring that individual is unemployable for a mistake they made in their youth.<p>The reason I think this is not a good assumption to assume that someone will be a bad employee simply because they did something criminal in their past. There are terrible employees out there who don&#x27;t break the law. If we&#x27;re so concerned about employers hiring bad employees then state should instead build a centralised database of bad employees and their reason for termination at previous places of work. I&#x27;d argue this would be more effective if we&#x27;re concerned an employer might hire a bad employee.<p>Secondly, making it difficult for those who have committed crimes to get back into the workforce increases their risk of reoffending. Having a good job and a nice life to lose is a great reason to not commit crimes while having nothing to live for is a great excuse to do whatever feels right in the moment.<p>Best of luck op. If I was an employer I&#x27;d consider you if you had the skills and seemed like you could do the job. I have no idea why your past would be relevant to your ability to work outside of select roles.
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system2over 1 year ago
In the United States if you start your own IT company and sell your services to your clients there won&#x27;t be any questioning who you are or where you even studied. As long as you solve the business problems they will pay you greatly.<p>If it is a matter of survival, I&#x27;d pick this route. You can easily make 6 figures or even 7 figures within a few years. You do not need to find a full-time job at a fancy company.<p>Long story short, nobody needs to know your past as long as you know how to fix computers and handle network systems.
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hermitcrabover 1 year ago
If you have got the time and energy, why not start creating an application related to the area you want to work in? It will be a positive at any interviews. Maybe it will bring you some new contacts or consultancy work. And if it gains traction you could start your own business.<p>(I&#x27;ve run my own 1-man software business since 2005. But I realize it isn&#x27;t for everyone.)
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ChrisMarshallNYover 1 year ago
There are a couple of folks here that run organizations specifically geared towards helping felons in tech.<p>I can&#x27;t think of them, right offhand, but I&#x27;ll bet they pipe in.<p>I&#x27;d suggest making the title a wee bit &quot;pithier,&quot; to make sure they understand it.<p>For example: &quot;I Have a Felony, and it is Making it Difficult to Find Work.&quot;<p>I have known many folks with felony records that have found work, but it tends to be challenging. Stubbornness and not reacting to the dicks is an asset.<p>I sincerely wish you luck.
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netaustinover 1 year ago
As far as I&#x27;m aware, the state of play in tech is far more welcoming to formerly incarcerated people than this thread would imply. Justice Through Code at Columbia University is designed to place formerly incarcerated and criminal legal system-involved individuals in tech roles, and has had a lot of success placing its alumni at big tech companies [1]. And this is largely for entry-level tech workers.<p>Checkr is a commonly used background-check tool, especially in tech, that allows for those with criminal histories to provide context for what&#x27;s on their record [2], I&#x27;m curious if you&#x27;ve encountered it specifically.<p>To your post about being ghosted, that seems unfortunately to be a common theme in this period of staff contraction that may not be limited to those with criminal records [3], but reneged offers is a bummer, I&#x27;m sorry that&#x27;s happened to you. There&#x27;s a theme of &quot;owning the narrative&quot; among some formerly incarcerated people that may be worth considering.<p>Last, a useful resource on humanizing language for those of us without criminal justice histories [5].<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;centerforjustice.columbia.edu&#x2F;justicethroughcode" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;centerforjustice.columbia.edu&#x2F;justicethroughcode</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;checkr.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;checkr.com&#x2F;</a><p>[3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@k0ryk&#x2F;everyones-getting-ghosted-dbf0fbaf161" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@k0ryk&#x2F;everyones-getting-ghosted-dbf0fbaf...</a><p>[4] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fortunesociety.org&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2020&#x2F;12&#x2F;final-humanizing-language.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fortunesociety.org&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2020&#x2F;12&#x2F;final-...</a>
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publicprivacyover 1 year ago
My linkedin if anyone has career opportunities or wants to talk:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.linkedin.com&#x2F;in&#x2F;saunderscaleb&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.linkedin.com&#x2F;in&#x2F;saunderscaleb&#x2F;</a>
severalFeloniesover 1 year ago
Multiple felony convicted drug offender. Several arrests, several stints in jail.<p>Sysadmin&#x2F;Linux with a little Dev and a little ops<p>I tell the truth; tell them I’m in recovery and it’s a big part of my life (which is true). Nowadays everyone has a friend&#x2F;brother&#x2F;sister&#x2F;uncle&#x2F;parent where they’ve seen the horrors of addiction (and pop culture is educating people as well) and most people see it (recovery) as a positive thing. Leadership&#x2F;managers either already know or learn quickly that I’m not going to drink too much at a work event and embarrass them nor will I ever not be able to work due to a hangover. I’ve been turned away from several jobs with my honesty but welcomed at others, from startups to national corporations.<p>With my record, I <i>have</i> to look at it as a “meant to be” sorta thing. If they turn me away after I share my past and what it looks like now, it just wasn’t the right place for me and I have to keep looking.
giantg2over 1 year ago
Start an LLC if allowed in your state. Work under the LLC or work as a 1099. Less chance of employers looking you up if not a W2 employee. Select small companies to work for, or even work for yourself.<p>My wife had a misdemeanor that was eventually expunged and this seems to work.
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eliover 1 year ago
Sounds like you&#x27;re in California. I&#x27;d start by making sure you know your rights under their &quot;Ban the Box&quot; laws.<p>In general I don&#x27;t think an employer can ask about or consider a prior conviction until after they&#x27;ve made a conditional offer.
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NanoYohaneTSUover 1 year ago
Yes, but my answer isn&#x27;t the one you want.<p>My long time acquaintance got out after a number of years, in his late 20s after committing a crime at 19, was intelligent and knew computer science extremely well after teaching himself in prison and after he picked up projects on github and grinded leetcode.<p>He did gig work, but that wasn&#x27;t sustainable so in the end he bought someone&#x27;s identity and lies on resumes and background checks. He can obviously hold no job that does serious background checks. He has a high school education.<p>Hope you find employment without having to resort to this, but that&#x27;s a harsh reality.
NoZebra120vClipover 1 year ago
Have you worked with social service agencies which specialize in such employment?<p>In my metropolitan area there is a significant network of employment agencies. Many are faith-based and many work with the homeless and disadvantaged, and it is not unusual for some to cater to ex-cons and felons. They will not advertise this stuff publicly, so you will need to get referrals and inside information on how to find them, but once you hook up with such an agency, your chances should improve drastically. Many of them will counsel you on how to approach applications and interviews, they will broker connections with employers who can overlook such a record, and they really know the communities they work in.<p>Do not discount the power of your State agencies to help you as well, such as through Vocational Rehab programs.<p>One drawback I&#x27;ve found to working with these folks is that they&#x27;re geared to low-income jobs, manual labor, call centers and food service type stuff. They&#x27;re not well-equipped to handle professionals in industries like IT, but you can certainly help them adapt, and recognize that we&#x27;re worthy of assistance too. The more professional ex-felons who approach them, the better equipped they will be to serve people like us.<p>26 years ago, they parked me in a homeless shelter with a newspaper and a public phone to apply for jobs. Not even a typewriter to create a résumé. It was a joke. When I was finally motivated and qualified, I found the right agencies and the right assistance, and it made all the difference in the world.
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RajT88over 1 year ago
Contract work is a good option for when you have any kind of black mark that recruiters are going to skip over you for.<p>I see a lot of people who got laid off &#x2F; fired who ended up with the dreaded &quot;Resume Gap&quot;, and it&#x27;s very common to spin up your own consulting&#x2F;contracting firm. That way - you can claim you were self-employed, and there&#x27;s no obvious resume gap.<p>I&#x27;m sure it doesn&#x27;t fool all the recruiters, but it&#x27;s got to fool a lot of them who are lazy and suck at recruiting.
justsomeoldguyover 1 year ago
it&#x27;s been 14 years since my felony, and every IT job I&#x27;ve had started out good but they looked me up. I got a unique name I can&#x27;t change right now. so they always find me, I&#x27;ve been hired by billion dollar companies for technical member of staff positions paying 165k, only to be fired the day before I was supposed to start.<p>I can&#x27;t do it anymore. I can&#x27;t try anymore. I&#x27;ve tried for years and years and I can&#x27;t handle this rejection. I can&#x27;t handle knowing at the drop of a hat I&#x27;m gonna lose my job again the moment they find out. I just can&#x27;t do this anymore. I really can&#x27;t. I can&#x27;t be this good, this friendly to people, this competent, and still judged so badly from something that happened while I was on drugs 14 years ago. I&#x27;ve been clean for as many years. It doesn&#x27;t matter. I&#x27;ve tried explaining, doesn&#x27;t matter. I&#x27;ve treid playing dumb and hoping the background check won&#x27;t find it. I&#x27;ve relied on the right-to-be-forgotten laws and the fair credit reporting act-- billion dollar companies still refuse to follow the procedure. they didn&#x27;t get me any chance to dispute what they found, even when they said they would. And no, suing them doesn&#x27;t work. No one will take the case and I aint got money for it so no.<p>there are no solutions. I&#x27;m paid to find solutions to any problem... and I have none. I can find none. :(<p>People judge harsh these days. Good luck, you need it. Even if you get a job, it&#x27;s a hell of a thing to have a coworker you&#x27;ve worked with for 18 months walk up to you with a printout of your case, saying, is this you? and then he pretends it didn&#x27;t bother him.<p>oh it bothered him.<p>they walked me out not long after that for something seemingly unrelated. that job lasted exactly 2 years.<p>My next, I got walked out at just 4 months for &quot;defacing company property&quot; yeah I wrote my name on my custom chair they ordered for me. I was financially responsible for that chair, I know because I built the inventory system to keep track of the serial numbers. Do you think this mattered? Hell no. Do you think people cared to reason? nope. they kept a straight face even, said that I was lucky they weren&#x27;t calling the cops.<p>well joke was sort of on them. my unemployment claim went before a magistrate and he took one look and said to them, did you get him a chance to wipe it off? and I&#x27;m like &quot;I had multiple sovants on hand that would have worked. they never even gave me a chance.&quot; and they were like &quot;....&quot; and that was it. ruled in my favor.<p>but how it left me. it just devestated me. I brought my a game to that job. I grew that company from 29 employees to 165. I had microsoft hybrid local&#x2F;cloud running and the dell laptops would auto provision all the user had to do was login with their username and password. it all unfolded, installed everything they needed. a perfect image. it was done in 20 minutes. it was amazing, microsoft really has some powerful tools to help IT get new employees working fast.<p>it just sucks. it sucks more than anything. it&#x27;s unfair, sure. the world is unfair. but it is beyond unfair. and it has cost me everything ... this latest one just... sent me into a spiral. and I just gave up. I lost all my possessions, a lifetime of them. I just walked. how can I care anymore?
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burner420042over 1 year ago
I have first hand experience in this issue.<p>A felony record, in the context of passing a tech background check, is the following:<p>Does the word &#x27;felony&#x27; appear on your record? It&#x27;s all just string matching.<p>Felony misdemeanor? I&#x27;m a felon.<p>Felony misdemeanor as a juvenile? I&#x27;m a felon.<p>Felony for Adult Bad Things? Not me, but maybe someone else.<p>Either way, you&#x27;re done for 7 years. I still wait to tell friends and family until after the background check passes... 15 years later.<p>Most background checks (basically all) though are local to the states you list, so if you say you&#x27;ve only ever lived in Texas, but your conviction was in Oregon, I think you&#x27;d still pass as long as it wasn&#x27;t a federal level conviction. I know this because I&#x27;ve scrutinized every single background check I&#x27;ve ever had.<p>The experience will jade you and will leave a permanent bad taste in your mouth. Don&#x27;t forget they need software developers in Latin America and Europe.
bobmaxupover 1 year ago
I am a felon working in IT. My pay is much less than others working in the industry, but I am grateful for the opportunity to work for an employer rather than scrounging for work behind a LLC or something.<p>There are a lot of small companies out there that don&#x27;t do background checks, and some slightly larger companies who will overlook your past.
WarOnPrivacyover 1 year ago
I became self-employed in early 90s after moving to a very different job market (difficult to get work without connections).<p>I stayed self-employed after my wife&#x27;s disabilities started impacting my schedule. By the time my wife moved on, I had reached the ageism stage of my career.<p>I&#x27;m still self-employed. Being uninsured sucks but the schedule is pretty okay.
ShakataGaNaiover 1 year ago
One of the people on the other side of the table here. There are programs out there for the &quot;rehabilitation&quot; of those formerly convicted. Some of what I&#x27;ve seen is probably not helpful for you, but part of their work is job placement with companies whom are cooperative. It&#x27;s hit or miss who is willing to go through the extra work of hiring those with a record, which is silly because it&#x27;s not that much extra work. Depending on the role, it does add extra hoops which some managers will just shrug and find someone with less baggage.<p>Consulting is an excellent other option as well. Plenty of work in the security field if you get your name out there. Independent experts on small limited projects. Especially if you&#x27;re doing things like external pen tests.
schizo89over 1 year ago
I&#x27;ve been released 2 years ago and no I&#x27;ve been unable to find a gig. No one would reply lol. I m doing open source projects, ai and indie games. I&#x27;ve got more stress Cred than before. I think getting back to Normie workforce in police state such as us is impossible. Peace man
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blackbox1over 1 year ago
I&#x27;m sure you&#x27;ve started figuring out the tricks to finding positions that are friendly to people with criminal backgrounds, but if you&#x27;re checking for positions on places like LinkedIn, they have a flag for people posting jobs that shows they are open to candidates with criminal backgrounds. You&#x27;ll see the postings show &quot;People with a criminal record are encouraged to apply&quot; which I think is placed on the job description if an employer selects the &quot;Fair chance&quot; flag.<p>So you could narrow your searches down using &quot;Fair chance&quot;<p>Others like Glassdoor just use &quot;People with a criminal record are encouraged to apply&quot;<p>Now, whether those employers really mean it, or if it&#x27;s a legal requirement they check that box, I&#x27;m not sure.
silexiaover 1 year ago
I am happy to hire people with criminal histories to work remotely, I have 270 full time employees and plenty of safeguards to prevent future malfeasance.<p>If you want a chance at a job - apply at CoalitionTechnologies.com
xystover 1 year ago
I vaguely recall an episode of “Dark Diaries” which was supposedly the guy behind “d3f4ult” as part of some activist hacking group. Dude was convicted of computer hacking crimes and sent to a federal penitentiary.<p>I believe he ended up being a security consultant or something. So it’s possible.<p>I think you might find work with smaller companies. HR at most big company will often deny, ignore or ghost you once they pull the background check. Maybe they will look the other way? But likely need to know a few hiring managers that would take the risk of hiring a convicted felon.<p>Personally, I do know having a felony on record will exclude you from any financial related firms. But honestly, you are not missing out.
rdlover 1 year ago
I know a fair number of people who have had no problem after (old) drug or DUI or violence convictions, but I usually hear about them in the context of &quot;15 years ago I...&quot;. I don&#x27;t know more current who isn&#x27;t just a corp to corp contractor. I know people who have pled and haven&#x27;t been sentenced, or who have had relatively recent convictions, who are working as single member LLCs for clients who know details.<p>If it&#x27;s old or minor, I don&#x27;t think I&#x27;d care as a hiring manager. It&#x27;s annoying in some regulated industries since felony complicates checkbox compliance, but in &quot;normal&quot; industries enh.
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droptablemainover 1 year ago
When you are searching Indeed, you can check the &quot;Fair Chance&quot; option where the employer has indicated a willingness to work with this kind of stuff.<p>This is not something I&#x27;m experienced in though. Best of luck.
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whalesaladover 1 year ago
FWIW I would not hesitate to hire a felon if they were talented. Smaller companies and startups won&#x27;t really have a problem here. Larger companies doing background checks might - but then again they might not. TBH I would use this opportunity to help find an even better match. If a company is going to blindly say no to you, they are probably not worth working at. Unless of course they have some kind of legal issues where they are barred from having a felon on their team.
topkai22over 1 year ago
I do not have personal experience on the job seeker side, but I do know some (2) people who have managed to get government jobs with a record.<p>I suspect the nature of your offense would make it harder or impossible, but the public sector is a weird place- they often have very specific scoring criteria that they must follow for hiring decisions and if criminal record is not part of it they really will not consider it (at least that is my interpretation of what one of my friends said.)
codegeekover 1 year ago
Find startup&#x2F;smaller companies, be totally honest about what happened and make your case. Large companies will filter you out during application&#x2F;HR process itself.
nyteskyover 1 year ago
There is hope that things will change for folks like you who have “paid your debt”, this was on NPR today. It sounds like your best bet is to be incarcerated adjacent jobs, maybe the Innocence project has tech work? Something like that to build recent relevant experience.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.marketplace.org&#x2F;shows&#x2F;marketplace&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.marketplace.org&#x2F;shows&#x2F;marketplace&#x2F;</a>
plondon514over 1 year ago
This might be a good place to mention the Columbia Center for Justice which offers Justice Through Code, a bootcamp for the previously incarcerated. Someone I mentored there last year has successfully found work. I’d be happy to share more details through email.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;centerforjustice.columbia.edu&#x2F;justicethroughcode" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;centerforjustice.columbia.edu&#x2F;justicethroughcode</a>
tomashmover 1 year ago
Norway&#x27;s most famous criminal became a software developer.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www-kode24-no.translate.goog&#x2F;artikkel&#x2F;david-toska-koding-erstatter-kriminalitet&#x2F;80601691?_x_tr_sl=no&amp;_x_tr_tl=en&amp;_x_tr_hl=no&amp;_x_tr_pto=wapp" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www-kode24-no.translate.goog&#x2F;artikkel&#x2F;david-toska-ko...</a>
mynameisnooneover 1 year ago
(Throwaway)<p>Defending yourself against a group of 5 assailants who assault you and appear intent on causing you great bodily harm, even if battery to you is stopped, no one was injured, and you use no force in excess of defense, in the current political environment, it will result in a maliciously prosecuted assault charge if they happen to be PoC and you happen to be a white man leading to:<p>- Stress and uncertainty for months to years<p>- Legal costs between $15k and $50k<p>- Loss of rental housing<p>- Moving costs, say $6k<p>- An inability to be hired by a major corporation because of background checks until after the charge is expunged (another $5k in legal costs and many more months of uncertainty)<p>---<p>I hold the Scandinavian view, that after 20 years, a person can be very different, especially if they had a rough childhood. The US is organized around punitive prosecution and maximizing carceral suffering, has a net average problem with over-prosecuting PoC, a very high incarceration rate, over-prosecuting some crimes that aren&#x27;t there, and not prosecuting thieves and vandals enough. There also isn&#x27;t enough community engagement, de-escalation intervention, counseling, and diversion from the school-to-prison pipeline to care about people on a troubled path.
logicchainsover 1 year ago
Have you considered working overseas? Not a felon but I&#x27;ve worked for companies in Dubai and Singapore which didn&#x27;t require background checks (although it&#x27;s possible the government did a background check without explicitly mentioning it as part of the visa application process).
schizo89over 1 year ago
Well I think best move would be staring a trade union in discord, to aid eath other. We strong in unity.
SeattleAltruistover 1 year ago
There&#x27;s a great program for currently and recently released incarcerated: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.prisonscholars.org&#x2F;what-we-do&#x2F;our-work-impact&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.prisonscholars.org&#x2F;what-we-do&#x2F;our-work-impact&#x2F;</a>
ozzydaveover 1 year ago
Have you looked at Next Chapter at all? I know several folks who have come through and have amazing careers at tech firms: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nextchapterproject.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nextchapterproject.org&#x2F;</a>
Cyberisover 1 year ago
My advice: Start your own cybersecurity company. No one will hire you for any IT position. So you need to create your own. A niche that isn&#x27;t being addressed is cybersecurity offerings targeted to small nonprofits. You&#x27;d make a killing.
icedchaiover 1 year ago
Try a smaller company. They typically don&#x27;t run actual background checks. They may, however, run a google search and something could come up.
dudulover 1 year ago
Maybe a dumb suggestion but could you go the contracting route? Do employers run background checks for contractors?
fell_on_kneeover 1 year ago
Clicked on this expecting the guy who repeatedly flashed his dick at teenage girls, got caught, prosecuted and jailed, twice, several years apart, and now posts on HN begging for employment help every few months, while trying to hide what he did.<p>I was relieved to see your charges are basically nothing compared to his. You&#x27;ll be fine but be up front with recruiters about your felony. For the right candidate, they&#x27;ll work around it.
joshuakogutover 1 year ago
I did. It took a couple years though. I think my biggest problem was getting out during covid and not the felony.
tauntzover 1 year ago
Move to a different country.<p>I&#x27;m in an EU country and it&#x27;s really rare to see a company do any background checks at all. Be honest, if&#x2F;when you&#x27;re asked about it of course - but just from personal anecdotal experience, it&#x27;s rare that somebody even bothers to ask. (this might vary of course from country to country)
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giantg2over 1 year ago
Just curious how felony assault is not a physical violence offense. I understand there could be differences in state laws, but most felony assault charges require use of force wither resulting in an injury or involving a weapon.
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milkshakesover 1 year ago
checkr
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nwrootover 1 year ago
California has ban the box, apply there
SillyUsernameover 1 year ago
Tldr; I made a possible career ending move (see p.p.s below main comment), here&#x27;s what I did to fix it and end up in successful employment again.<p>Not the same but I was sacked during a probation period because I refused to give my proof of ID details a 5th time to the HR, the same 3 pieces requested multiple times or lost. I told them to reuse those I uploaded a day or two earlier.<p>HR dismissed me after a single warning to give them by my line manager, and in dismissal point blank refused to say why (in probation in the UK they have no legal requirement to tell you). Obviously I cannot say HR at xyz company were incompetent and I was the scape goat.<p>What I did say in my next interview was what I learnt during my probation there, they needed somebody with more SQL&#x2F;database skills. I had them as a senior developer, but I deliberately pushed back as it wasn&#x27;t what I was hired for. In the interview I simply said I was &quot;let go because I <i>believe</i> they wanted somebody more database oriented and that was not what I wanted to do&quot; with the emphasis I was being hired at the new place as a developer not as a database specialist. That was therefore not my error and it&#x27;s justifiable to want to do work you were hired for, they didn&#x27;t give me an actual dismissal reason, and based on what I was told day to day could have been true.<p>It also helped that I completed a 2 month project (for the sacked from place) without any flaws in 3 weeks (yes they were average developers there at best).<p>The point being, distract and do not linger, use the disadvantage and stuff that is positive to your advantage, make no excuses because that validates their (any) misconception.<p>I would:<p>- Prep and learn as many responses for awkward questions that you can think of.<p>- Find relatable ways to justify the offence, but make sure you show it&#x27;s been apologised for (it broke the law but anybody could fall into that trap). This may not be 100% coverable because perhaps it&#x27;s unrelatable, but people wouldn&#x27;t invite you to interview unless they thought you had or can redeem yourself. So for example, you mentioned drugs, I&#x27;ve not done them but I have done stupid things when drunk, so I can at least understand your position&#x2F;state of mind.<p>- Find ways to (importantly, indirectly, don&#x27;t dodge because being evasive will work against you) bring the topic back to accomplishments at the previous role (the one you were let go from). E.g &#x27;I apologised to the official and the staff I worked with before I left, although shocked they thanked me for my hard work on xyz (a project that I believe went live with great success a month later)&quot;.<p>In the last point you leave that open because it&#x27;s a distraction point, it&#x27;s not you saying &quot;despite what happened, I did loads of good work like xyz&quot; (which is misconception validation, direct topic changing -evasive- and now requires further detail on your part which blocks them talking -they may feel they&#x27;re not getting answers).<p>I did this approach on my follow up interview and got the position.<p>At the end of the day it&#x27;s about owning the mistake, learning and no longer apologising (because perhaps you have already done that).<p>It ultimately also gives you real life street cred as a secops guy, i.e. you&#x27;ve can relate to a criminal element, although I&#x27;m uncertain if you could turn that into a positive - if you found out new stuff behind bars well that&#x27;s a win - that could at least be an anecdote based on how relaxed&#x2F;personable the interviewers are (e.g. if one tries to put you at ease by saying they did time).<p>Final point, don&#x27;t rely on recruiters, use LinkedIn directly. Recruiters have a pool of people you join who they often field one at a time, you will be in a queue possibly at the back because the recruiter wants the best chance at getting a win with the least hassle when fighting against candidates from other recruiters. Unless you have a stand out skill they may secretly bias against you <i>and there&#x27;s no way of knowing</i>.<p>P.s. also refer to yourself as ex-felon, it&#x27;s reinforcing that you&#x27;re over it.<p>P.p.s somebody down voted me, don&#x27;t know why since if anybody has ever been sacked for refusing to give ID you should know you&#x27;re basically shooting yourself in the head if the word gets between HR departments that you won&#x27;t identify yourself during reference checking, potentially career killing.
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rthkljlkrjover 1 year ago
&gt; Previously I worked in Information Security as a SecOps Eng, most recently at Tinder. Between lack of recent job experience, and my record, I have been through a series of offer reneges, recruiters ghosting me, or going into HR resume black holes.<p>I &quot;look good on paper&quot; and recruiters ghost me too.
ecmascriptover 1 year ago
Maybe move to another state or country? If nothing else helps I guess that could be your best option.
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VirusNewbieover 1 year ago
Assault charges but not physical violence? What in the world? I&#x27;m so sorry you got that on your record.<p>I would look at smaller startups that might make it easy to just escalate to the CEO if you have a good explanation, rather than having an HR department stop you right away.<p>EDIT: I thought assault meant physical violence, but not harm while battery meant harm. I was wrong I guess?
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