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A rocket a day keeps the high costs away (1993)

131 pointsby joebigover 1 year ago

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actinium226over 1 year ago
According to Ashlee Vance&#x27;s &quot;When The Heavens Went On Sale&quot; this was the inspiration for Astra (the book links to this same article in the relevant chapter). The company hoped to produce and launch &gt;300 rockets a year <i>without</i> re-use. The goal was to get economy of scale in manufacturing.<p>Part of the business plan assumed that people would be using the rocket to launch replacement satellites for constellations, and so it wouldn&#x27;t be such a big deal if a rocket failed every now and then. This would let them use automotive grade parts in some areas as opposed to aerospace grade and reduce costs.<p>However, it turned out that customers were actually using their rocket to launch prototype satellites and other one-off satellites where failure was actually a big deal. Long story short Astra did manage to make it to orbit, but is unlikely to survive into the future.
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mrkstuover 1 year ago
Remarkably prescient. Any public knowledge whether Musk has cited this as an inspiration? This arstechnica article feels like a direct descendent: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;space&#x2F;2024&#x2F;01&#x2F;elon-musk-spacex-needs-to-build-starships-as-often-as-boeing-builds-737s&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;space&#x2F;2024&#x2F;01&#x2F;elon-musk-spacex-needs...</a>
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vlover 1 year ago
John Walker is also an author of The Hacker&#x27;s Diet: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fourmilab.ch&#x2F;hackdiet&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fourmilab.ch&#x2F;hackdiet&#x2F;</a><p>While perhaps a bit outdated by modern standards, general principles are sound and it&#x27;s still a very fun read in itself since he includes some general reflections in the text.
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contrarian1234over 1 year ago
“then the frontier would open as the great railway to orbit supplanted the first generation wagon trains“<p>Except the frontier had fertile lands and vast potential. It was not a cold barren emptiness. You could also make access to Antarctica cheap and affordable at scale. It wouldn&#x27;t suddenly make it economically sensible to go there<p>I&#x27;m skeptical there is a huge amount of pent up demand that is just itching for lower launch costs. It&#x27;s just a bunch of telescopes looking up and look down at every possible wavelength and then a bunch of telecommunications equipment.. There are some serious diminishing returns at play here<p>Tourism.. more telecommunications (ex: starlink).. what else is there to do up there? I don&#x27;t see it being a huge market. Definitely not enough to fund a colony on Mars or anything like that
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moritzwarhierover 1 year ago
At first glance, is this about Keynesian economics for space gear? Sorry if this sounds nuts... but it is the best paraphrasing I could come up with.
entropicgravityover 1 year ago
The risks of space flight are just so much actuarial work until real humans become involved. At that point three nine&#x27;s is no longer acceptable and everything takes way longer and is way more expensive.
paulus_magnus2over 1 year ago
Unfortunately this was published a few revisions too early IMHO. And a couple of peer reviews but the exploration itself is a nice try.<p>Due to nonlinearity of the rocket equation some assumptions are really really really off [a] [b]. V2 only has 2500m&#x2F;s deltaV [5] and the launch vehicle&#x27;s delta-v needed to achieve low Earth orbit starts around 9.4 km&#x2F;s [6] (the actual delta-v is typically 1.5–2.0 km&#x2F;s more for atmospheric drag and gravity drag). [7] Therefore V2 only deliveres (2500&#x2F;9400)^2 (7% or 1&#x2F;14 of the needed kinetic energy)<p>Trouble is we only get to convert 1-4% of the launch mass into payload in LEO with chemical engines. And that&#x27;s for large rockets with economies of scale.<p>Sputnik (rocket) Mass: 267,000 kg Payload to LEO 500kg [3]<p>The smallest orbital rocket is the Japanese SS-520 with the following characteristics: It can launch 3 kg to orbit in 4.4 minutes. It&#x27;s a modified sounding rocket with three solid-propellant steps. It&#x27;s only 9.54 m long, 0.52 m dia., and has a mass of 2.6T @ liftoff [google]. The SS-520 rocket cost less than $5 million [google]<p>Bolting a 2nd stage on top of V2 was tried in [2] programme and with both stages at ~0.7 reliability things only work half the time. Not commercially viable.<p>Is there a market for small &amp; cheap rockets? [8] What about dual purpose ? W54 &quot;Davy Crockett&quot; Atomic Projectile was the smallest nuke designed to maintain fission and could be carried around in a backpack! The final weapon was 10.862 inches (275.9 mm) in diameter, 15.716 inches (399.2 mm) in length and 50.9 pounds (23.1 kg). I guess this could be worked with. With the current risk of global war everyone should be mass producing a small launcher. However this way we still only get 1cubesat into orbit per $1m, not what the autor aimed at.<p>To get below $1000&#x2F;kg into orbit we will need a bigger boat. And that&#x27;s what SpaceX is doing.<p>(sorry to not have these in the nice order)<p>[8] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;space.stackexchange.com&#x2F;questions&#x2F;36261&#x2F;why-isnt-there-a-rocket-to-launch-a-single-cubesat" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;space.stackexchange.com&#x2F;questions&#x2F;36261&#x2F;why-isnt-the...</a><p>[a] assume that our bigger, more complicated (two-stage), and higher tech (LH2&#x2F;LOX instead of Ethanol&#x2F;LOX), launcher costs ten times as much as the V2<p>[b] If our mass produced LH2&#x2F;LOX launcher equals the performance of the Delta 6925 by placing 3900 kg in LEO, the cost to LEO is US$333&#x2F;kg; if we achieve better throw-weight, this figure goes down accordingly. If we build the thing so cheap, dumb, and heavy that its payload is only 1000 kg--one metric ton--the cost rises to US$1300&#x2F;kg, which is still a factor of ten lower than the comparable cost to LEO for Ariane, Atlas, Delta, and Titan.<p>[1] So yes, a stripped-down stretch-tank engine-augmented two-stage V2-derived rocket, massing 351 tons as opposed to the 12.5 tons in the original, would be able to reach orbit*. :)<p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;RTV-G-4_Bumper" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;RTV-G-4_Bumper</a><p>[3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Sputnik_(rocket)" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Sputnik_(rocket)</a><p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.quora.com&#x2F;If-boosters-were-strapped-on-the-V2-rocket-will-it-get-into-orbit" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.quora.com&#x2F;If-boosters-were-strapped-on-the-V2-ro...</a><p>[5] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;space.stackexchange.com&#x2F;questions&#x2F;59879&#x2F;how-much-delta-v-did-the-v2-have" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;space.stackexchange.com&#x2F;questions&#x2F;59879&#x2F;how-much-del...</a> [6] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Low_Earth_orbit" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Low_Earth_orbit</a> [7] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Specific_orbital_energy" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Specific_orbital_energy</a>
orenlindseyover 1 year ago
Elon Musk probably was inspired by this at some point.