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Language Can Give You Super Mind Powers

26 pointsby samdjohnsonabout 13 years ago

7 comments

tokenadultabout 13 years ago
This is a simplistic restatement (on a rather ugly webpage color scheme) of the strong version of the linguistic relativity hypothesis ("Sapir-Whorf hypothesis"), which is surely wrong. My native language is General American English, and I grew up in what was essentially a monolingual immediate family and neighborhood of English speakers, although both of my parents had had some instruction in other languages. All of my grandparents were born in the United States, but three of the four spoke languages other than English at home, and my two maternal grandparents had all of their schooling in German.<p>German as a second language was mandatory for all elementary pupils in fourth, fifth, and sixth grade in my childhood school district, very unusual for the United States. I had more German in junior high and senior high (in two different states) and then Russian in senior high. I entered university as a Russian major and immediately began taking Chinese, switching my major to Chinese as I grew in delight for that language. I have had formal instruction as an adult in Modern Standard Chinese (a.k.a. Mandarin), Cantonese, Biblical Hebrew, Literary Chinese, Attic Greek, Biblical Greek, Japanese (first in the medium of Chinese, then in English), Taiwanese, and Hakka, and various courses in linguistics (also in the mediums of both English and Chinese). I have engaged in self-study of Biblical Aramaic, Mongolian, Spanish, French, Latin, Hungarian, Malay-Indonesian, Esperanto, Interlingua, etc., etc., etc.<p>I have to respectfully disagree with the strong version of the linguistic relativity hypothesis. Within each language grouping, people differ far more in their personal thinking along the dimension of visual thinker or not, or auditory thinker or not, than people differ from one another in thought patterns based on language background. But it is useful to learn another language and to live in another culture for exposure to new basic assumptions, and the same applies to learning computer language paradigms. People who program for a living, or who program just for fun, may like the books<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Language-Pragmatics-Third-Edition/dp/0123745144/" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Language-Pragmatics-Third-...</a><p>or<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Essentials-Programming-Languages-Daniel-Friedman/dp/0262062798/" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Essentials-Programming-Languages-Danie...</a><p>among other books on programming languages mentioned here on HN as examples of overviews of different approaches to high-level computer programming languages facilitating different kinds of programming problem-solving.<p>The case of human languages is quite a bit different. All human languages are constrained by the biology of the human brain, and human ear and human vocal tract (or hands and arms, in the case of sign languages for the deaf), and all human languages, without exception and even if they are constructed languages, have ambiguities and illogical features inconsistent with other features of the language. Many of the faults of Esperanto are very well documented,<p><a href="http://www.xibalba.demon.co.uk/jbr/ranto/" rel="nofollow">http://www.xibalba.demon.co.uk/jbr/ranto/</a><p>and the Lojban promoters I have met online since 1994 have repeatedly demonstrated lack of logical capacity (at least in our common language of English) in a manner that puts me off from learning Lojban.<p>Learning a new cultural perspective by living in a new culture and learning the predominant language there is a very good idea, and highly educational. But the incidental features of one language as contrasted with another have no necessary relationship to how speakers of each language think, or how they can think.
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spodekabout 13 years ago
From the post: "Speakin' in a different language changes the way you think—it's a well attested phenomenon."<p>A great answer for the perennial questions "why should I learn math or science." It changes the way you think -- only instead of learning about culture you learn about patterns and nature.<p>I got a physics degree before leaving the field. People who didn't take science ask if I still use it. How do I answer so they'll understand that I use it in every thought?
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tdrabout 13 years ago
From the post I'd conclude that language is the by-product of innovation (and necessity), not the other way around.<p>There is already an artificial language out there: Esperanto <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto</a> . From what I remember from language students, it's pretty much a failure.<p>Also, do you have any concrete ideas/point of action to do that? Do they work?
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khyrykabout 13 years ago
Learning anything changes the way you think: chemistry, physics, biology, astronomy, mathematics, computer science, linguistics, philosophy, literature, etc. I'd place a language somewhere between a science and something like astrology as far as usefulness goes.
mike_ivanovabout 13 years ago
"Speakin' in a different language changes the way you think—it's a well attested phenomenon."<p>This is wrong. I speak two languages, so I can tell. Learning the second one didn't change the way I think.
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seanosabout 13 years ago
Lojban is a constructed, syntactically unambiguous language based on predicate logic that was originally conceived to examine the influence of language on the speaker's thought:<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban</a>
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Produceabout 13 years ago
I've often wondered what it would be like to think in a rational language (i.e. one free of contradictions). I suspect that logic and reasoning would improve as a side effect.
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