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Platform Tilt

404 pointsby SethMLarsonover 1 year ago

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nox101over 1 year ago
They mention both Android and Microsoft have some apps that don&#x27;t launch the user&#x27;s browser choice.<p>I have a related problem which is apps that launch their own web view as a builtin web browser when you click a link in the app. This lets them spy on any web activity that you do while in that embedded web view.<p>I think I wish that both the Android Play Store and the iOS App Store required apps to launch the user&#x27;s browser for all 3rd party websites. To do this, they&#x27;d have apps categorize themselves as &quot;web browser&quot; or &quot;not web browser&quot;.<p>For a &quot;not web browser&quot;, the app would have to make a short list of domains (5? 10?) that it&#x27;s allowed to talk to. Any others would be blocked by the OS.<p>For a &quot;web browser&quot; the app could contact any domain.<p>I don&#x27;t know what legalize like language they&#x27;d use to define &quot;Web browser&quot; but apps like Facebook, FB Messenger, Google Maps, and others who&#x27;s primary use is not &quot;Browsing the web&quot; could be clearly in the &quot;not web browser&quot; category.<p>There&#x27;s multiple reasons I want this.<p>1. Apps with embedded web views can spy on all network activity and web view activity. By preventing apps from having embedded browsers that problem is solved.<p>2. Passwords, addresses, other things are synced in my browser profile. Every time some app launches an embedded browser I get none of that<p>3. Bookmarks are synced in my browser profile. Any sites I view in an embedded browser I can&#x27;t bookmark<p>4. History is synced in my browser profile. Any sites I view in an embedded browser don&#x27;t show up in my history<p>One other feature I might require if I was ruler of the world is that these apps that launch links be required to support a context menu for &quot;open in private browser window&quot;
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runlevel1over 1 year ago
&gt; App Store forbids third-party browser engines<p>Mozilla is justified in challenging it, but I don&#x27;t know if they want to go pulling that thread.<p>Safari&#x27;s monopoly on iOS devices is the only reason a sizable number of developers care about non-Chrome support. Currently, they have to. If the message to users becomes &quot;broken feature is not broken on Chrome&quot; we&#x27;re on the road to monopolyville. And then Google <i>really</i> doesn&#x27;t need consensus when it creates new web standards.<p>The status quo is all sorts of messed up, but it could be worse. Hopefully I&#x27;m wrong about this.
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KTibowover 1 year ago
As an Android user the main reason I don&#x27;t use Firefox is that it feels slower, not because of any anticompetitive behavior. In Firefox, there&#x27;s often layout shifts when I load the home page, keyboard animations sometimes jump around, I can&#x27;t use the &quot;release to select&quot; menu option, etc.
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madeofpalkover 1 year ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;mozilla&#x2F;platform-tilt&#x2F;issues&#x2F;3">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;mozilla&#x2F;platform-tilt&#x2F;issues&#x2F;3</a><p>&gt; JIT Support on iOS<p>This has been such an under-commented on factor of the whole &quot;EU is going to force third-party rendering engines on iOS!&quot; bit. Would Apple allow apps to support JIT? A new entitlement browser developers must apply for? It&#x27;ll be interesting :)<p>I doubt it.
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dangover 1 year ago
Related: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.mozilla.org&#x2F;netpolicy&#x2F;2024&#x2F;01&#x2F;19&#x2F;platform-tilt&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.mozilla.org&#x2F;netpolicy&#x2F;2024&#x2F;01&#x2F;19&#x2F;platform-tilt&#x2F;</a><p>(via <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=39059255">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=39059255</a>, but no comments there)
sneakover 1 year ago
Right-clicking a selection in macOS and selecting web search (perhaps only in Mail.app, I don’t recall) always opens Safari even if you have a different browser selected as default. They missed that one.
BitPirateover 1 year ago
My biggest gripe with Firefox on Android is that sometimes I enter a domain in the address bar, press enter and nothing happens.<p>This behaviour seems to be erratic and only affects a few websites, such as <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forum.syncthing.net" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forum.syncthing.net</a>.<p>Closing the tab or using a different one doesn&#x27;t solve the problem. I need to force close the app to fix this.
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jwells89over 1 year ago
Most of these are understandable, but the one talking about Messages integration on iOS gives me bad vibes. Specifically a “recently sent links” API for Messages that the user must opt into wouldn’t be a problem but full access to message data is not something that I (and I suspect many others) would ever consent to a third party app having (even if Mozilla is the dev).<p>As for extensions on iOS, Orion has the capability to install extensions from both the Chrome and Firefox extension galleries which would suggest this either isn’t actually a problem or slipped past App Review and has somehow remained available for years.
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lamontcgover 1 year ago
Copy and paste in google colab works correctly with chrome and not firefox.
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shadowgovtover 1 year ago
&gt; Browsing information like history, bookmarked sites, and cookies isn’t accessible to third-party browsers on Android.<p>As a user, why the hell do I want third party applications to be able to access my browser&#x27;s history, bookmarked sites, and cookies?<p>That&#x27;s an obvious privacy leak!<p>Firefox can have that data when it&#x27;s generated by Firefox while I&#x27;m using Firefox and not in other contexts.
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deanCommieover 1 year ago
The fact that if you mistype a command in a Windows Search bar and instead of opening explorer&#x2F;the program you were looking for, it opens a Bing Search in Edge (with neither configurable in the OS settings) should be illegal. In fact, I thought there was a whole-ass lawsuit where Microsoft was legally mandated to make browser settings configurable.<p>The fact that somehow this doesn&#x27;t apply to &quot;searches from the start menu&quot; is a joke.
ijhuygft776over 1 year ago
The government <i>need</i> to force Google to advertise Firefox on Google.com...
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silon42over 1 year ago
The main thing that I have to switch to non-Firefox is various video&#x2F;audio conferencing software.
pmontraover 1 year ago
&gt; &quot;Google Search within the Google app&quot;<p>Correct but I don&#x27;t notice that because I search by opening Firefox and typing the search query there. It&#x27;s an icon tap anyway. I don&#x27;t use the search widget on the home screen, I removed it.
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Havocover 1 year ago
Great website...now we just need tech new reporters to be aware of it.
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