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Why Hierarchy Is Fragile and Anarchy Is Antifragile

16 pointsby TotalCrackpotover 1 year ago

11 comments

username332211over 1 year ago
I find very confusing to discuss anarchy as the opposite of hierarchy, since political Anarchy is an extremely hierarchical system of government. For example, here is a description of the social organization of CNT-ruled Catalonian villages:<p>&gt; &quot;The committee is the paterfamilias. It owns everything; it directs everything. Every special desire has to be submitted to it for consideration; it alone has the final say.&quot;<p>&gt; &quot;With the abolition of money, the collective held the upper hand since anyone wishing to travel had to get &#x27;republican&#x27; money from the committee.&quot;<p>Hierarchy is not the opposite of anarchy, but of self-organization. To reject hierarchy is to be able to act independently, not to replace the manager with a committee.
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varjagover 1 year ago
One good uni friend of mine was an avid anarchist. We spent countless hours with him pitching Kropotkin and texts like the above (this was pre-Youtube). Then I had a chance to work for him: he still had anarchism thing going but was ruling his subordinates with steel grip and very much hierarchical way. Much later when I checked him on LinkedIn he was rising through Product Manager ranks on FB.
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lupusrealover 1 year ago
In human groups, hierarchy is inevitable due to human nature (we&#x27;re social apes). Attempts to create hierarchy-free social settings only result in creating systems in which the dominant social hierarchy is implicit, unstated, officially unrecognized... and therefore impossible to regulate.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.jofreeman.com&#x2F;joreen&#x2F;tyranny.htm" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.jofreeman.com&#x2F;joreen&#x2F;tyranny.htm</a>
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dauertewigkeitover 1 year ago
This is a just-so story without any empirical evidence.<p>The model of hierarchy is too simplistic. If you zoom in on the nodes you will see a more complex structure. It&#x27;s not just one person but a host of people, operating in a semi-formal somewhat also anarchic structure. At every level of the hierarchy there is ample backup that will keep the system from collapsing.<p>Then there is also the dimension of efficiency that is completely missing from the discussion. Hierarchical systems might be more fragile but also much more efficient.
YurgenJurgensenover 1 year ago
Ironically, but not surprisingly, in describing his alternative to hierarchy, the video essentially re-invents hierarchy. Anarchy is so fragile that even in a thought experiment by an anarchist, it can&#x27;t even last 20 minutes.
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incomingpainover 1 year ago
Anarchy no matter what seems to still lead into hierarchy. Even if it ends up wherein land owners are top of hierarchy and everyone else is below.<p>But then there&#x27;s the land owners who own enough land that they become the government. They have a security force. They have a sheriff. I think this is what people are dreaming about being when they want anarchy.
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xnxover 1 year ago
&quot;Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear.&quot;<p>Excerpt from Nemik&#x27;s manifesto from the excellent Andor <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;starwars.fandom.com&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Trail_of_Political_Consciousness" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;starwars.fandom.com&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Trail_of_Political_Cons...</a>
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readthenotes1over 1 year ago
I guess I don&#x27;t know what antifragile means since Chaz took just a few minutes to descend into murderous chaos ruled by the guy with the biggest gun
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thriftwyover 1 year ago
Anarchy also has much lower baseline density. You can have anarchy between tribes in the Amazon or Far North, but not in a metropolis.<p>Be wary that many proponents of Anarchy may be the criminally inclined types, so they don&#x27;t actually have any magical trick to make anarchy non-violent - it&#x27;s just OK for them to live in violent society because they&#x27;ll be on top. Think Makhno band.
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shzhdbi09gv8ioiover 1 year ago
Thanks for sharing. Interesting channel
lurking15over 1 year ago
For whatever reason, the anarchists I&#x27;ve known are generally all &quot;anarcho-communists&quot; and trans or trans-adjacent. Weird situation cause they&#x27;ll say how they hate rulers but what they propose seems to be where they don&#x27;t really get rid of &quot;bosses&quot;, but instead empower every busybody around you to treat you like they were your boss. The hierarchy is much more insidious than any capitalist dystopia they describe, in my opinion.
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