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I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

359 pointsby onnnonover 1 year ago

48 comments

vegetablepotpieover 1 year ago
You can do something about this.<p>I got involved in climate advocacy in 2021. Since then I’ve successfully lobbied my local government to start an energy resources study, which will look at ways for my community to quickly transition to renewables. A small thing. But if we all do small things, it will add up!<p>Still though. My state, Arizona has really terrible people writing awful laws. This legislative session they’re proposing a 12.5% tax on purchasing solar if you’re not a utility, and a bunch of other regressive, anti-free market, pro-fossil fuel legislation [1]. We’re going to vote these people out of office this November and remove barriers to using our states abundant solar resources.<p>And since HN is a startup and technology forum, we need cheap utility scale energy storage as soon as we can get it. It exists, but solar+storage is just a bit too expensive for most regions of the country. If it does become <i>cheaper</i> than methane, that makes the move away from fossil fuels much easier. If you want to work on this, do it.<p>But also, citizens engagement is crucial. If you live in a regressive state like mine. It’s super important to get involved. If you live in a place that is going in the right direction, engage on the implementation details, there are so many ways good climate policy can get derailed in bureaucracies. There are a ton of groups that you can work with on this [2] [3] [4].<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;legiscan.com&#x2F;AZ&#x2F;bill&#x2F;HB2281&#x2F;2024" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;legiscan.com&#x2F;AZ&#x2F;bill&#x2F;HB2281&#x2F;2024</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;citizensclimatelobby.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;citizensclimatelobby.org&#x2F;</a><p>[3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sierraclub.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sierraclub.org&#x2F;</a><p>[4] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.environmentalvoter.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.environmentalvoter.org&#x2F;</a>
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zug_zugover 1 year ago
Just a contextual note -- one thing Sabine says is: AI won&#x27;t help because we know the exact solution, we just aren&#x27;t willing to do it.<p>Presumably she&#x27;s referring to her first proposal -- a carbon tax. It&#x27;s my understanding that there&#x27;s nearly consensus among economists that a carbon tax is the most efficient solution to global warming, but political consensus that it would never happen when framed as a tax.<p>If you don&#x27;t know what a carbon tax is, or why it&#x27;s orders of magnitude more efficient a solution than &quot;eat less meat&quot; I&#x27;d encourage you to look into it a bit. Essentially if you create a system where what is best for the planet is also the cheapest course of action (for individuals and businesses), you no longer have to rely on convincing every single individual to change their morality&#x2F;beliefs.
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Version467over 1 year ago
There’s a new book from Hannah Ritchie called „Not the end of the world“, that argues for optimism, without denying the reality of the situation. It’s a fantastic book and I highly recommend it.
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jokoonover 1 year ago
I live in the south of france, and I really need to move to a cooler region in france. Summer are very long, nights are hot, makes it hard to sleep well.<p>I don&#x27;t have enough money to install AC. Mobile AC is too noisy.<p>I have been postponing for 4 years now.<p>I am reading The Ministry Of The Future, it&#x27;s a great book. India will be the first to suffer from this.
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eximiusover 1 year ago
It&#x27;s extremely frustrating to watch our world deteriorating because politicians aren&#x27;t willing to actually do their jobs and govern.<p>I&#x27;d go even stronger and, for the US, pass regulations that all emissions of all kinds must be captured or the company will be fined double the cost of environmental remediation as <i>executed</i> by contractors employed by the government (scaling from 1% of the fine to 100% of the fine over X years).
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declan_robertsover 1 year ago
Weird. I used to worry about climate change and now I don’t. I guess the world has a way of finding its equilibrium.<p>I do however worry about the accidental introduction of invasive species and diseases, which seems to be accelerating (see: citrus greening disease).
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dsignover 1 year ago
We need a phase transition in our thinking about climate change, because our current way of thinking is taking us nowhere.<p>- All human activities, in different degrees, contribute to climate change. Don&#x27;t believe me? Say that you bike to the office everyday. You enjoy your commute, you never develop a heart condition, and in the course of your long prosperous life you have three kids and nine grandchildren, own several dogs and get a bigger house. In other words, your climate footprint all of the sudden is greater than if you had used a polluting car and died of a heart attack when you turned forty.<p>By definition, humanity thriving means humanity growing, and with that its footprint on the entire planet.<p>- But in the aggregate, humanity is what we are. There is a price to pay for climbing that hill, but there is an even greater price for not climbing it. Critters in the Serengeti don&#x27;t compose poetry, nor make Youtube videos; they are too busy surviving. So are people in places where material scarcity reigns supreme. My father, who never wanted to leave his homeland, is dying at home, and my mother won&#x27;t hire a nurse not for lack of money, but because she doesn&#x27;t trust that young people will work for just the money and won&#x27;t rob them blind.<p>We have the knowledge, the technology and the means to live in domes in the vast deserts of this planet, to go to the moon or to live in space habitats anywhere in the solar system.
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hiAndrewQuinnover 1 year ago
I never worried particularly much about climate change, but just to hedge my bets for my kids I moved to northern Europe. For the most part it&#x27;s just equated to milder (= bearable) Winters and nicer summers up here.<p>I guess we also spend a fair bit on moving to renewables up here - Finland achieved energy self sufficiency last year thanks to a good combination of nuclear + solar + hydro. If I were an ideologue in either direction I&#x27;d probably say &quot;that&#x27;s the real reason I moved&quot; or &quot;can&#x27;t believe they&#x27;re waiting my tax money on this&quot;, but I&#x27;m not, I&#x27;m just a guy who likes hedging his bets. The nuclear is especially nice because cheap electricity is the true backbone of society, and we&#x27;ve seen the market prices go straight up _negative_ a few times due to overproduction.<p>Self recommending! Come to Finland and help us build a stronger democracy, whatever that means to you.
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EnigmaFlareover 1 year ago
I think the reason everyone just has a &quot;worry&quot; or an opinion and there&#x27;s so much disagreement is because nobody knows, even in the slightest what effect climate change will have on people&#x27;s quality of life. We have predictions of some effects like temperature extremes, sea level rise, storm severity (or so I&#x27;ve heard, I can only find hand-waving in IPCC reports), mass migration, etc. but no credible and terrible predictions of numbers of deaths, financial cost or other more direct impacts on people. Maybe the climate will be radically different but we&#x27;ll adapt just fine? Who knows? Nobody! So people invent their own beliefs and we end up with doomsdayers imagining the worse possible outcome and neverminders imagining the best possible outcome and they all want to control each other&#x27;s behavior according to their own imagination. Now it becomes political and people hate each other because they see them working against each other&#x27;s believed fantasy.<p>Even in this video, I couldn&#x27;t find any quantified predictions of actual effects on people, so it just continues to support everyone&#x27;s own fantasy, whichever way that goes.
Vecrover 1 year ago
What country is going to take the hit and start the high altitude sulfur spraying? If we even could get the forcing back to what it already was in the recent past that would be a great help.
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djaouenover 1 year ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=wCo3XwTRg9o" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=wCo3XwTRg9o</a>
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mgaunardover 1 year ago
Why would anyone worry about things they have no control on?<p>People that overestimate the value of their opinions, maybe.
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pk-protect-aiover 1 year ago
I no longer worry. I&#x27;m extremely pessimistic about the impending climate change. I believe Sabine isn&#x27;t pessimistic enough about what to anticipate. Consider the tundra methane emissions and the explosive release of methane-hydrates from the oceans, along with water vapor, a potent greenhouse gas. The disaster looming over all ecosystems (a mass extinction event) that will happen in decades and the doom-phase could last for 200,000 years. The chances of humanity surviving are incredibly slim, IMO. We can&#x27;t colonize Greenland or Antarctica due to the lack of fertile soil, and it would take thousands of years to develop it. Without saying so, we don&#x27;t have this amount of time.
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gmusleraover 1 year ago
What you don’t know that you don’t know can harm you badly. From time to time you learn something new and realize that, but it always has been there.
bilsbieover 1 year ago
I used to worry<p>but living through 30 years of catastrophic predictions not happening has made me question the messenger instead.<p>Some examples(1):<p>1989: Rising seas to ‘obliterate’ nations by 2000<p>2008: Al Gore warns of ice-free Arctic by 2013<p>(1) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cei.org&#x2F;blog&#x2F;wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cei.org&#x2F;blog&#x2F;wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-poca...</a><p>Don’t get me wrong. I still think it’s an area of concern. I’m actually a raging environmentalist but I just think we should spend our limited political capital on air pollution, heavy metals, microplastics, and expanding national park access.
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efitzover 1 year ago
TL;DR<p>Climate models are showing that a parameter (ECS aka “climate sensitivity”) has been increasing since 2019. This parameter determines how much temperature increase can be expected if atmospheric CO2 doubles.
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Nevermarkover 1 year ago
Not to add more pessimism icing to the anxiety cake, but ... I have not seen any discussion on a particular Venn diagram of worries.<p>1. Climate change as a biological and human ecosystem catastrophe.<p>2. A potential ecosystem threat to humans from GAI. We might anticipate AI (and initially its wealthiest owners) would be less biosystem dependent, and more of a &quot;Let&#x27;s extract ALL the rare elements from the bottom of the ocean and not clean up the mess later&quot;, &quot;Non-degradable plastic? Its still the future!&quot;, and &quot;Fossil fuel reserves are a horrible thing to waste&quot; kind of constituency.<p>It might be prudent to think about how different impending risks might have unfortunate &quot;alignment&quot;.
j4yavover 1 year ago
What happened to this link, it’s now a video of some people yelling?
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ZephyrBluover 1 year ago
An RDCworld video on HN, never thought I&#x27;d see the day.
cynicalsecurityover 1 year ago
Okay, but what now?
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hackernotengover 1 year ago
Stop being afraid. Stay away from climate change cults.
baryphonicover 1 year ago
The only existential risk that worries me is nuclear weapons proliferation. It&#x27;s the only one I have nightmares about.
nooberminover 1 year ago
My guess is the video is too long because absolutely none of them are about the content of the video
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collywover 1 year ago
I used to now I don&#x27;t. After over 3 decades of hearing about it, none of the catastrophic predictions have come true. The sea level hasn&#x27;t risen by any perceptible amount (I live on the coast). And I see no reason why it&#x27;s considered a bad thing if it gets slightly warmer.
andrewclunnover 1 year ago
She is typically a very &quot;anti-establishment&quot; accessible science educator. When she talks about climate change she puts the onus on herself to actually make the arguments rather than just &quot;pushing the consensus.&quot; This is very important. As somebody who is anti-academia myself, I am so annoyed at being told I am anti-science as well for being as such. Hearing the evidence laid out by somebody also willing to call out academia, but who does believe in climate change is WAY more effective than one more bludgeoning tool from a boot licking sycophant.<p>Want to have your discussion regarding &quot;What to do?&quot; regarding climate change? You need to stop treating people who want to know your arguments and see your data with respect first. Sabine is a great ACTUAL science educator and not merely a grifter, and (I suspect) just a modest honest person. She legit deserves clicking that subscribe button.
Timber-6539over 1 year ago
So when exactly is &quot;my part of the earth&quot; going to start melting away? I need a time frame in order to care about it.
thevaniaover 1 year ago
reminds me of sacking of rome by barbarians<p>but this time we must defend better not to have another &quot;dark age&quot;<p>sure sad for the millions of displaced people, but for civilisation to prevail there is no way to save them, quite a no-brainer
maxdoover 1 year ago
Lots of people yelling with very poor audio quality :(
xnxover 1 year ago
&quot;I used to not worry about climate change, but now I really want the clicks.&quot;
huppeldepupover 1 year ago
Why was the link changed? 3 hours ago it linked to this: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;backreaction.blogspot.com&#x2F;2024&#x2F;01&#x2F;i-used-to-not-worry-about-climate.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;backreaction.blogspot.com&#x2F;2024&#x2F;01&#x2F;i-used-to-not-worr...</a><p>Now it links to this: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=wCo3XwTRg9o" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=wCo3XwTRg9o</a>
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alexvodaover 1 year ago
@dang Is it just my impression that HN is drifting rigtwards on this topic? I remember HN being more in favour of proactive action against anthropic climate change. This thread feels dominated by attitudes reflecting inaction.
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jwilkover 1 year ago
Direct link to the video:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=4S9sDyooxf4" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=4S9sDyooxf4</a>
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ZunarJ5over 1 year ago
Act local, think global: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;effectiveactivist.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;effectiveactivist.com&#x2F;</a>
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Alifatiskover 1 year ago
Is the link correct? It leads me to a channel named RDCWorld? But it doesn’t match the title?
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sschuellerover 1 year ago
Some stupid hacker just deleted over 2 Peta Bytes of Russian climate research data dating back decades. Data that was collected from satellites around the world for decades for processing. This affects us all if we don&#x27;t have data.<p>We are rapidly going back to the stone age...
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hkonover 1 year ago
I don&#x27;t worry<p>Why is this on the frontpage?<p>Weird
kkfxover 1 year ago
My personal take, witch I call a rational one:<p>- I choose for MANY reasons, climate is one of them, not the topmost but still one of them, to leave a big city toward the mountains, choosing a place locally hydrogeologically stable (meaning no landslide can reach my home, no flood as well, nothing tall enough to fall onto it and so on);<p>- I still IGNORE both the climate change and the climate &quot;deniers&quot; narrative because I consider both PROPAGANDA. I mean I do not care if actual climate change, I see well (meaning it exists no extra proof needed for me), is due to anthropic activities or natural cycles or both in various percentage simply because even if the cause is 100% anthropic and we can cease now all relevant activities this would not produce significant results in less than SOME centuries, simply no matter the causes we need to ADAPT;<p>Now the biggest issue: both parties the &quot;climate scared&quot; and the &quot;climate deniers&quot; spit emotions but reject rationality. Most climate scared gossip about adding rooftop solar (typically while they live, in apartments), need to ditch cars for walking or cycling nearby in 15&#x27; cities (typically refusing the argument that anyone eat, in cities and in countryside, but in cities live many so there is a big need of food and no production, meaning that for allowing people to live in 15&#x27; cities a big and typically not green logistic much bigger than the countryside is needed) while most climate deniers state we can go on classic diesel for 500+ years rejecting tha claim that banally we experience raw materials issues since some years with less and less new big discovery an year after another an even if we have still much oil changing away from it take decades.<p>Long story short people do not want any real change, so one act as classic reactionaries, other as classic futurists who dream a future, but refuse to really think and design it to make it real.<p>My take is simple: we need to relocate an enormous mass of humans from some now inhabited areas to some others, not tomorrow morning but also not for the next century, and such big change means typically wars, disasters, famine and so on, planning and moving calmly a cohort at a time means SOME chances to get it done without enormous amount of spilled blood. Very little is done in that sense. The probable result is that nothing change until the immediate emergency level where things get done in a rush, some profit very much, many starve and die. The best I can is try to be as much as I can aside. I do not have a personal space station, fully autonomous and capable of rebuild itself when needed to watch from the orbit so...<p>There is no point wasting nerve energy for a fact I can&#x27;t deal with more than that. There is no point in trying convincing a mass of Lebonian crowd (cfr. Gustave Le Bon writing on the crowds) who is actually already polarized in two opposite groups, already fighting each others.
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bananaflagover 1 year ago
I no longer worry about climate because of AI. I think AI will either save us all or doom us all before the climate doom really starts.
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sufimalangover 1 year ago
she said lives of hundred of millions, i guess she is only counting western white lives. the very same ones who caused this in the first place :)
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julienreszkaover 1 year ago
I never worry because fear and anxiety shrinks the brain and makes you stupid. If you rely on intelligence for your work why would you ever allow something to make you anxious.
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fsdfasdfsfover 1 year ago
Among all religions, worship of the weather god is the worst. It&#x27;s a literal death worship; and death for the sake of death at that.
pvaldesover 1 year ago
Until the war is over, we can&#x27;t know if exploding things non stop for two years is having a part in making the last years warmer.<p>The models could be incomplete, or obsolete
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127361over 1 year ago
It&#x27;s taboo to say this, but people worldwide have had far too many children, and I believe that overpopulation is the root of the sustainability crisis, including climate change and pollution.<p>And that taboo is probably rooted in evolutionary psychology, people have a genetically driven tendency to criticize those who advocate having less children? So could there be an instinctual drive behind it?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.flashpack.com&#x2F;solo&#x2F;relationships&#x2F;dont-want-kids-choice&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.flashpack.com&#x2F;solo&#x2F;relationships&#x2F;dont-want-kids-...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.refinery29.com&#x2F;en-gb&#x2F;childfree-by-choice" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.refinery29.com&#x2F;en-gb&#x2F;childfree-by-choice</a>
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SebFenderover 1 year ago
I never worried about it, but do worry about science lacking the knowledge of millions of years of climate change being put into a few hundred.
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MLH6ft1over 1 year ago
Hmmm....this post has stayed on top on hackernews (while I didn&#x27;t visit the link shared in this post) AND the video shared in this post also shows up on top on youtube.<p>Same has also happened with this hackernews post: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=39162856">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=39162856</a> (I didn&#x27;t visit the link shared in this post either) and looks like this post didn&#x27;t get &#x27;as much&#x27; traction on HN as compared to the above one. However, the video shared in this post also came up on top on youtube.<p>Looks like HN is a good place to boost your content on YT, if it gets pushed to the top!
lynx23over 1 year ago
I was always pro-environment and pro-more-industry-regulations, since I can think. Then came Greta and the doomsayers. Realising there is really nothing more I can do--I am already walking to work and don&#x27;t even own a car--I stopped supporting apocalypse-loving-movements and went back to living my life as I used to do.<p>I was developed an aversion for the climate apocalypse movement since. I wonder, if they managed to alienate people without a car and very low CO2 footprint, what demographic is actually left to cater to?<p>BTW, this phenomenon is very old. Thausands of years ago, religious nuts already announced the end of the world. Soem religious movements like the 7th day adventists even were born out of a failed waiting for the end. That was, IIRC, in the 19th century, at a time when people didn&#x27;t even know what polution will be.<p>We have a built-in tendency to predict our own downfall. A sort of built-in mental illness that needs to be worked against.
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ciesover 1 year ago
I used to worry about climate (80s), now I dont (20s).<p>Why?<p>1. Too many lies. In the 80s the water level was rising, but it didn&#x27;t. Then acid rains would kill all, but did not. Then ...<p>2. I cannot change it. Using fossils (or other tech with big &quot;environmental&quot; impact) is a great way to scale business. The &quot;economy God&quot; is to important to actually go an fix the problem. That why we see no real solutions being implemented and climate agreements being ignored&#x2F; not signed.<p>3. The focus on CO2 is stupid. There are worse problems: fine dust, pollution, disruption of ecosystems. But we now totally focus on CO2 (or CO2-equevalents).<p>I do have a solution. Remove (gradually) all taxation, in favor tax on pollution and usage of particular scarce resources (e.g. land, water, fossils, radio frequencies, etc.) This way the market will solve the problem. Housing and labour (two examples of wholesome things that are currently heavily taxed) will become a lot cheaper, and polluting will become expensive.
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renewiltordover 1 year ago
There’s nothing much to do. An environmentalist told me that it’s a few big companies that are causing it all but that I was greenwashing it by buying Terrapass so now I’ve stopped. I grew up in the city, too, but apparently that was the problem because you’re surrounded by a concrete jungle so now I’m buying a home in the hills. It’s pretty cool, honestly. I don’t understand why everyone doesn’t just live in the hills since it’s better for the environment.
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