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Earl Grey tea intoxication (2022)

56 pointsby disadvantageover 1 year ago

12 comments

Cassover 1 year ago
The most House (the TV show)-like case that ever happened in my medical career was the case of the patient with liver failure due to green tea intoxication.<p>A young man presented in our hospital with acute liver failure. He&#x27;d just spent a month traveling through the rain forests of Brazil, Colombia and Peru. During his trip, he&#x27;d consumed unknown drugs in a Peruvian shaman ceremony and had unprotected sex with a Peruvian sex worker.<p>We tested him for everything obvious. He didn&#x27;t test positive for any known drugs or any obvious drug-related toxins. He didn&#x27;t have HIV. He didn&#x27;t have hepatitis A, B, or C. He didn&#x27;t have EBV, he didn&#x27;t have CMV, he didn&#x27;t have Dengue Fever, he didn&#x27;t have Yellow Fever, he didn&#x27;t have Malaria. He didn&#x27;t have any sign of autoimmune conditions.<p>We called the institute for tropical diseases. We tested him for tropical diseases we&#x27;d never even heard of. He didn&#x27;t have those. He didn&#x27;t have Syphilis. He didn&#x27;t have Gonorrhea. He didn&#x27;t have liver cancer, or any other discernible cancers.<p>We called the institute for tropical diseases again. They started researching. We tested him for diseases the experts for tropical diseases hadn&#x27;t even heard of. He had none of those, either.<p>His liver, which had started failing for no discernible reason, now stopped failing, for equally indiscernible reason. We started planning his discharge.<p>We had a nice final discussion. He really appreciated how hard we&#x27;d tried, he said, and he really appreciated how kind everyone had been, and sorry again about the unprotected sex with sex workers thing, that was effing stupid in retrospect. He said he was looking forward to getting home and detoxing from all this. He said he didn&#x27;t think the green tea we had on the ward (cheap, shit, comes in bags, unlikely to have ever encountered a tea plant in real life) did anything much, detox-wise, and anyway he&#x27;d feel bad emptying our hot water carafe all the time.<p>Um. How much green tea do you drink, I asked him.<p>4 to 5 liters per day, he said.<p>I googled &quot;green tea liver failure,&quot; with some vague memory that sometimes tea gets contaminated during the drying process and maybe he&#x27;d caught a bad batch? Turns out, green tea just... causes liver failures, occasionally, in higher doses. Probably due to the anti-oxidants.<p>You live and you learn.<p>The patient went home and limited his green tea consumption to no more than a cup per day. He checked in with me a year later, because I&#x27;d asked him for an update, and his liver was doing perfectly fine and had never failed him again.
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rifficover 1 year ago
Will tea, Earl Grey, hot, send me spiraling into a profound, dreamlike state, where I live out an entire lifetime, learning the flute and undergoing life-changing experiences, all within the span of a few real-world minutes?
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Tainnorover 1 year ago
Not sure that there is anything interesting to be drawn from a singular anecdote that includes no conclusive medical analysis, but regardless of the type or brand of tea, drinking 4 liters of black tea per day doesn&#x27;t exactly strike me as the healthiest lifestyle to begin with.
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dylan604over 1 year ago
&quot;He was still drinking 2L...(his entire fluid intake)&quot;<p>Isn&#x27;t that low? I drink at least a gallon a day, and more during summer.<p>I learned the hard way via kidney stone that low fluid intake is bad. After further analysis of the stone&#x27;s makeup, my doctor&#x27;s prescription for avoiding future stones was stay hydrated. I have followed that advice ever since.
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karolistover 1 year ago
Reminds me of chifir, which is still popular in Russian and easter-euro prisons<p>&quot;Ultimately, making chifir involves brewing a great deal of black tea and for a long time. It may be left to brew overnight and drunk either hot or cold.&quot;<p>They use it as some sort of substate for alcohol but I&#x27;m not sure of exact effect. I know it causes extremely bad teeth rot after multi year consumption.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Chifir" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Chifir</a>
Magi604over 1 year ago
You know the saying, &quot;anything in excess is bad&quot;.<p>Also I&#x27;ve never been fond of the Twinings brand of teas. They always had a super strong flavor.
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stephenitisover 1 year ago
sounds like a allergy to oil of bergamot.
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sandworm101over 1 year ago
What strength of earl grey tea? My grandmother never drank water, insisting only tea. But she drank seriously week tea, more like tea-flavored water. I&#x27;ve seen other people (brits) drink tea so dark it looks like coffee.
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Krasnolover 1 year ago
Scarry.<p>I grew up on Black Tea sorts. I drank a similar amount to the patient above, with far too much sugar and lemon juice. Stopped because I wanted to reduce my sugar consumption and to have white teeth again.
dangover 1 year ago
Related:<p><i>Earl Grey tea intoxication [pdf]</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=8155176">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=8155176</a> - Aug 2014 (39 comments)
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mynameisnooneover 1 year ago
I would investigate dehydration from caffeine, caffeine intoxication, or antinutrients or adulterants from the bergamot.
AdmiralAsshatover 1 year ago
So to be clear, the dude was drinking the equivalent of one of these every day:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;d2d8wwwkmhfcva.cloudfront.net&#x2F;800x&#x2F;d2lnr5mha7bycj.cloudfront.net&#x2F;product-image&#x2F;file&#x2F;large_6615d4ef-6f9b-47e8-aa37-69c1be4b2666.jpeg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;d2d8wwwkmhfcva.cloudfront.net&#x2F;800x&#x2F;d2lnr5mha7bycj.cl...</a><p>I&#x27;m not sure the average person could drink a gallon of water a day without any ill effects, much less tea.
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