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Working with Tilt/Shift Lenses (2022)

89 pointsby luuabout 1 year ago

17 comments

Scene_Cast2about 1 year ago
Well, that&#x27;s a pleasant surprise, didn&#x27;t expect to see this to show up on HN. I really love the photography style they feature, and it&#x27;s often an inspiration for my own shooting.<p>My opinionated take: if you&#x27;re going for architecture or ultrawide, just buy a 9mm lens and crop. My Laowa 9mm is my favorite lens by far. If you want AF, there&#x27;s the new 10mm that recently came out.<p>Why not T&#x2F;S? Correcting vignette is time intensive (unless the lens has an EXIF chip, but I don&#x27;t have experience with that); image quality is not as good (I found the Laowa 15mm shift lens to just be straight up worse even when accounting for different focal length); they&#x27;re heavier and take more fiddling.<p>Why not perspective-correct a 12mm? I found that it&#x27;s impossible to compose shots well (corners end up cut off, composing the shot is difficult), and there were situations where 12mm just wasn&#x27;t wide enough.
paulsmithabout 1 year ago
One of my favorite contemporary photographers, David Schalliol, has an “isolated buildings” series, and he uses a tilt shift lens to achieve parallel lines for the buildings, to striking effect.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;davidschalliol.com&#x2F;photography" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;davidschalliol.com&#x2F;photography</a>
tmmabout 1 year ago
Many (30ish) years ago, I subscribed (or my parents did on my behalf, I was 9) to Model Railroader magazine. A significant portion of that hobby seemed to be focused on this sort of photography and the construction or use of these lenses.<p>I haven’t thought about it much since then (or much at the time, since I was a lot less interested in the detailed modeling and a lot more interested in the control systems and coming up with complex track layouts), but the pictures those guys took were always pretty cool.
nox101about 1 year ago
Tilt-Shift lenses are great and I own one but ... just like many things in photography now-a-days, computation can do much of this.<p>No, it&#x27;s not perfect just like an iPhone doesn&#x27;t take as a good a picture as a high-end Canon&#x2F;Nikon&#x2F;Sony. But, AFAIK, all modern phones have perspective correction built in to their photo editor controls. I use them quite often to do the same things (in relation to perspective) as seen in the article. Again, they aren&#x27;t as nice but 99.9% of the time the images I personally take are only going to be seen on a small screen. And even on a large screen (my 65&quot; TV) they still look great at a glance.<p>There&#x27;s two features I wish were more common.<p>1. Changing the size of the image. Say you take a 1000x1500 image, in adjusting the perspective to make the verticals not converge you&#x27;d really need the image to be 1000x2000. No app I know if will do this. As you adjust the perspective there&#x27;s no option to increase the size of the image to fit the result so stuff just gets cropped. Ideally it would let me opt into auto-increasing the size of the image to fit the plane of the original after its tilted. (note: I get I could do this in photoshop by pulling the image into a larger document. I&#x27;m just annoyed I have to go that far and wish I could do it in the phone in the default photo editor as I just the perspective.)<p>2. Let me change the perspective live while I&#x27;m taking the picture. IIRC I found apps that do this but they want $10-$20 a month. Here&#x27;s hoping Apple and Google add it to the default camera apps. This could be even better because given computational photography the phone can take 10-20 shots at 1000fps and then merge them for higher res in the areas where there&#x27;s less censor pixels per arc angle.
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bambaxabout 1 year ago
&gt; <i>A “shift panorama” is a very simple panorama as you don’t need any accessories like a rotating plate and you won’t be running into stitching errors</i><p>I have a panorama head (Manfrotto 303SPH). It&#x27;s enormous, weights around 3kg and... I <i>never</i> use it.<p>In my experience, Lightroom does an extremely good job at stitching panoramas from handheld shots, as long as there is reasonable overlap between shots. Seems to work perfectly every time.
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neomabout 1 year ago
45TSE is probably one of my top 3 fav portrait lenses, the glass is really something special on that lens, un-tilted the clarity is just phenomenal. Not sure what it is, but I love shooting with it, and it&#x27;s fun to tilt in portraiture! :) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;s.h4x.club&#x2F;DOuJJKJp" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;s.h4x.club&#x2F;DOuJJKJp</a>
dtgriscomabout 1 year ago
The miniature effect you can achieve with tilt&#x2F;shift lenses is very cool, but I&#x27;ve always wondered: <i>why</i> does the result look miniature? Is it that it has the same visual problems that a cheap-ish lens focused on a miniature would have (e.g. very shallow depth of field)?<p>(My brain wants to know what my eyes seem to intuit...)
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madaxe_againabout 1 year ago
I first did tilt-shift photography as a teenager before I even knew what it was called, when I inherited a crown graphic from my grandfather, and I noted that I could change the plane of the lens, and could see on the ground glass viewfinder what the effect was. Had great fun running around Italy with a backpack full of Polaroids and a far more precious supply of 4x5 colour positives, taking architectural photographs. Had less fun developing them all at home later - the colour positive process is not easy.<p>I’ve since tried tilt shift with my DSLR but it just ain’t the same - it gives good enough results, but not much that you can’t do in post - whereas looking at some of the prints from the crown graphic, the quality and the… I don’t know, <i>quality</i>… of the images is different - better.<p>I guess my view is that it’s worthwhile with wet photography, but not with digital.
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contingenciesabout 1 year ago
Quite surprised to see something of this genre discussed here without any mention of the obvious benefits in industrial process.<p>By normalizing the spatial representation of the captured image, it is possible to perform quantitative analysis without any additional processing overhead or associated temporal delay.<p>Presumably sharp focus and a lack of distortion would grant similar benefits when training machine learning for visual applications.<p>Source: Own multiple books on the early era of photography when tilt-shift was a normal feature (&quot;view cameras&quot;) and have designed a fair number of autonomous optical systems. The best book I have, for the benefit of others, is <i>View Camera Technique (7th Edition)</i>.
dlluabout 1 year ago
A stellar article by Bastian Kratzke as usual.<p>Using tilt to increase depth of field is incredibly useful in macro photography. For example this picture of sushi by Ming Thein [1] using the Nikkor PC-E 85mm lens. It&#x27;s particularly useful when the subject is mostly flat, like a watch.<p>I personally have a Laowa 15mm f&#x2F;4.5 Shift lens, with which I took a picture of the Hallidie Building [2].<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.flickr.com&#x2F;photos&#x2F;mingthein&#x2F;6912586530&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.flickr.com&#x2F;photos&#x2F;mingthein&#x2F;6912586530&#x2F;</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;File:Hallidie_Building_in_San_Francisco_dllu.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;File:Hallidie_Building_in_San_...</a>
spythonabout 1 year ago
A pro photographer friend of mine stopped using Tilt&#x2F;Shift lenses for architecture, he says the image quality is noticeably better if you correct the perspective in photoshop&#x2F;lightroom afterwards.
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uglygoblinabout 1 year ago
I was just watching a YouTube channel that Tilt Shifts video games. Here&#x27;s one for Elden Ring:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;dZ9RU7pznTs" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;dZ9RU7pznTs</a>
yawpitchabout 1 year ago
A tilt&#x2F;shift lens is great… but it’s nowhere near as flexible as a field or monorail view camera.<p>Luckily they tended to be built to last and there’s load of them out there, if you know where to look.
nullcabout 1 year ago
The Canon RF backfocus distance is short enough that you can get a tilt&#x2F;shift adapter that lets you just chuck a medium format lens on the camera. Pretty slick.
sandsparabout 1 year ago
If you&#x27;re interested, &quot;Little Big World&quot; is a very pleasant YouTube channel who does tiltshift videos of global cities set to classical music.
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shaggie76about 1 year ago
The key thing about all TS-lenses I know of is they only support manual focus; while this may not be a problem for architecture or landscape photography I&#x27;m too casual to try to focus a portrait manually (Gregory Heisler talks about doing this in his book &quot;50 portraits&quot; and I love his work).<p>Rumour has it that Canon&#x27;s RF-mount tilt-shift lenses will support autofocus though...
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asix66about 1 year ago
Just watched Poor Things[0], up for 11 oscars including best pic.<p>Anyway, they used some crazy fisheye lens effects, and also some tilt shift.<p>[0] : <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.rottentomatoes.com&#x2F;m&#x2F;poor_things" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.rottentomatoes.com&#x2F;m&#x2F;poor_things</a>