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Boeing's 737 MAX Software Outsourced to $9-an-Hour Engineers (2019)

157 pointsby JazCEabout 1 year ago

11 comments

rramadassabout 1 year ago
It is absolutely a Boeing failure and not due to subcontractors&#x2F;outsourcing as the clickbait title seems to imply.<p>If you parcel out parts of your job in something as critical as Airplane Construction, it is your responsibility to validate all specifications&#x2F;testing&#x2F;verification&#x2F;etc. If you treat &quot;Airplane Engineering&quot; as mere &quot;Embedded Engineering&quot; you need to be put out of business.<p>The article explicitly says MCAS and &quot;cockpit warning light not working&quot; problems (which were the cause of the two crashes) were NOT outsourced.<p>Key points;<p><i>“Boeing was doing all kinds of things, everything you can imagine, to reduce cost, including moving work from Puget Sound, because we’d become very expensive here,” said Rick Ludtke, a former Boeing flight controls engineer laid off in 2017. “All that’s very understandable if you think of it from a business perspective. Slowly over time it appears that’s eroded the ability for Puget Sound designers to design.</i><p><i>Rabin, the former software engineer, recalled one manager saying at an all-hands meeting that Boeing didn’t need senior engineers because its products were mature. “I was shocked that in a room full of a couple hundred mostly senior engineers we were being told that we weren’t needed,” said Rabin, who was laid off in 2015.</i><p><i>“Engineering started becoming a commodity,” said Vance Hilderman, who co-founded a company called TekSci that supplied aerospace contract engineers and began losing work to overseas competitors in the early 2000s.</i><p>The last point is the most damning; <i>Airplane Engineering</i> cannot be commodity engineering.
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aslihanaabout 1 year ago
&gt; recalled one manager saying at an all-hands meeting that Boeing didn’t need senior engineers because its products were mature.<p>Shame. Industrial companies, if you decide as pincher, you will be doomed in your little world... as it always has been :)
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jkic47about 1 year ago
The article seems to conflate engineering salaries in a low cost of living country with the quality of the software.<p>As I understand it, the software performed exactly as designed, forcing the nose of the plane downwards to counter the upwards torque produced by the engines being offset relative to the centre of gravity of the plane.<p>Mentour Pilot had a great episode on the two tragic accidents. It appears that Boeing did not expose the way the software was designed to behave, and the system silently turned itself back on even after the pilots disengaged it.
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zamfiabout 1 year ago
Is this more, or less, concerning than the growing trend to outsource software to $0.03 &#x2F; 1000 token AIs?
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lencastreabout 1 year ago
Fivrrr for airplane safety,… it’s like that BM episode, flywheel of death…
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tremorscriptabout 1 year ago
I am not surprised. When in doubt and when you have screwed things so badly, blame the people who don&#x27;t look or speak or earn like you. Boeing did have $9 software engineers working for them. They were working on the accounting and ERP softwares. But as soon as 700 people lost their lives, apparently they were working on MCAS, a core system that only NASA engineers should have worked. I dont believe anything that Boeing says or does, the company is pure evil. If it&#x27;s Boeing, I&#x27;m not going.
reboot_boomabout 1 year ago
I think the big question is how did no FAA or whatever inspection show all those safety implications until now? What are they missing at other Aircraft manufacturers?
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ilrwbwrkhvabout 1 year ago
Man these Indian bpo companies like Wipro Infosys HCl destroyed the future of India and gave the world the worst software ever.
nottorpabout 1 year ago
&gt; The Max became Boeing’s top seller soon after it was offered in 2011.<p>Seriously? I mean, could you still order anything but a Max from Boeing in that size? And that being the most useful size, of course it became the top seller. Because it was the only offering.
darkhornabout 1 year ago
Outsourcing is a very bad practice. Those softwares tend to be very low in quality.
Madmallardabout 1 year ago
Wait til Devin makes your next safety critical system. :)