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Ask HN: Rescuing Trove of Floppy disks from the 80s

2 pointsby ynacabout 1 year ago
Hey.<p>I have been reassembling my book library from storage and came across a large box of disks from the 80s I thought was long lost and gone. TRS-80 game Crocket &amp; Tubbs can finally be released! As well as MBs of angst-filled essays about the corruption of capitalism. Hopefully my non-fiction work with Oreo cookies is in there as well.<p>My question for you all, what are the best practices for recovering the data. The media ranges from a dozen 8&quot; disks, about 200 5 1&#x2F;4s, and maybe 750 3.5&quot; discuits.<p>What have you learned from doing this?<p>Are there better drives to seek out?<p>Is there a risk of only getting one shot at reading them, as with some magnetic tape?<p>Any format or organizational strategy for the target drive?<p>And, of course, any stories of great finds or losses attempting this kind of thing?<p>Thanks!

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lprovenabout 1 year ago
You didn&#x27;t say where in the world you are. That matters.<p>Talk to Gene Buckle, who recently did just this and recovered the oldest known version of the first ancestor of MS-DOS.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theregister.com&#x2F;2024&#x2F;01&#x2F;05&#x2F;oldest_ancestor_of_msdos_recovered&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theregister.com&#x2F;2024&#x2F;01&#x2F;05&#x2F;oldest_ancestor_of_ms...</a><p>This is him:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.f15sim.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.f15sim.com&#x2F;</a><p>You may want to invest in a Kryoflux.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kryoflux.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kryoflux.com&#x2F;</a><p>Obviously you need working drives of each size. 8&quot; isn&#x27;t trivial and 5.25&quot; are getting scarce.<p>I&#x27;d join the ClassicCmp.org mailing lists and ask there. Lots of highly relevant expertise in that circle.
RetroTechieabout 1 year ago
How much is contents (or finding out what that is) worth to you? And how much time&#x2F;effort you want to spend on it?<p>The &#x27;treasure trove&#x27; aspect of such a find is usually overrated: it sat in storage for a long time without negative effect. If contents can be retrieved (likely!) it will take time to sort through.<p>In terms of valuable:<p>1) Personal stuff. But remember it&#x27;s daaated. For that reason alone there could be 0 value in recovery.<p>2) Unique software: titles that somehow have <i>not</i> found their way into online archives. For any reasonably popular machine like TRS-80, this is more rare than one may think. But if you were a programmer back in the day, source code finds may be <i>very</i> welcomed by the community.<p>If disks are labeled properly, you could do a quick search through online archives, to decide whether a title is rare&#x2F;special enough to spend time on recovery. Already a good copy out there? No need to spend <i>any</i> time on it. Titles may not be online, but with good copies existing &#x27;offline&#x27;. A quick email &#x2F; forum post may get you a copy easier than trying to read &gt;30y old floppy.<p>Recovery: for each floppy, save both files <i>and</i> a full disk image. At least until you&#x27;ve figured out what contents is&#x2F;does. Software that <i>looks</i> like regular files, may access a disk in other ways than through a filesystem. Some software may come with copy-protection schemes - good luck with that! ;-)<p>Once you have disk images, there&#x27;s likely 1001 tools out there to process those. But establish a workflow with a few disks first: find out 1st hand what equipment &#x2F; process &#x2F; software tools work, then proceed with the rest. As opposed to: read 100s of floppies, only to discover afterwards that tool used read only 1 side of 2-sided disks. Or things like that. You may perform multiple reads of a disk, and (binary) compare results. Or give retrieved software a test-run on emulator(s) to check for obvious faults.<p>&gt; Is there a risk of only getting one shot at reading them, as with some magnetic tape?<p>In my experience: no. Floppies are fairly robust as far as magnetic storage goes.<p>Equipment: the older, the harder it&#x27;ll be to find a working setup. Unless it&#x27;s quick&#x2F;cheap&#x2F;easy (like obtaining a USB 3.5&quot; floppy drive), don&#x27;t bother. Find person &#x2F; organisation (computer museum?) that <i>have</i> a working setup &amp; know how to use it. If money is no object: data recovery company can do it for you ($$).<p>If you are confident about disk formats, that can be of great help. Eg. I&#x27;ve read of some USB floppy drives that only read HD floppies, but don&#x27;t deal with DD floppies. Similar considerations for software tools &#x2F; OS support etc.