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Don Knuth letter about libraries increasingly unable to afford prices (2003) [pdf]

190 pointsby kbraderoabout 1 year ago

17 comments

sam_lowry_about 1 year ago
He is attending the wrong library. Library Genesis is the way, now. And Library Sci-Hub.<p>And I am only half-kidding.
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vascoabout 1 year ago
Sending a working person a 14 page letter about anything expecting them to read it is wild to me. Perhaps it&#x27;s the quality of my writing but my personal experience is that even being way more concise, most people wouldn&#x27;t care.
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jfabout 1 year ago
&quot;I love my library and the other libraries that I visit frequently, and my blood boils when I see a library being overcharged.&quot;<p>Given the topic and my love for Knuth, I went into this paper ready to agree with him. But Knuth does a great job at stating his case.<p>This sentence caught my eye: &quot;Elsevier, however, ignored my letter and did not reply&quot; - who in their right mind would ignore a letter from Knuth?!
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gorkempacaciabout 1 year ago
I love the veiled threat in Page 4 about Journal of Logic Programming all editors abandoning Elsevier and starting a new journal (Theory and Practice of Logic Programming (TPLP)), noting the TPLP thrived after this and Elsevier&#x27;s own restart having gone off the map. Especially with the balancing note at the end saying the cost per page of this new journal wasn&#x27;t much cheaper.
soegaardabout 1 year ago
The story goes that one of Niels Bohr&#x27;s friends visited him and found him deeply engrossed in writing an application to a fund. Surprised, the friend asked why it took so long for such a prominent scientist as Bohr to write a simple application. Bohr replied, &quot;I&#x27;m trying to make it short, but I haven&#x27;t had time yet.&quot;
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martinclaytonabout 1 year ago
And the outcome was ... ACM Transactions on Algorithms (TALG)[1][2]<p><pre><code> [1] https:&#x2F;&#x2F;home.cs.colorado.edu&#x2F;~hal&#x2F;s.pdf [2] https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;ACM_Transactions_on_Algorithms</code></pre>
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b800habout 1 year ago
It&#x27;s interesting to note that in the context of this letter about the Journal of Algorithms, that there is now an open-access journal called &quot;Algorithms&quot; which looks like it launched five years after this letter:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mdpi.com&#x2F;journal&#x2F;algorithms" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mdpi.com&#x2F;journal&#x2F;algorithms</a>
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devsdaabout 1 year ago
Not a rhetorical question. Are they more affordable now in 2024 ?<p>How much does the existence of open access journals affect the affordability overall ?
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oli5679about 1 year ago
Aaron Swartz articulated the problems with gatekeeping of knowledge.<p><pre><code> Information is power. But like all power, there are those who want to keep it for themselves. The world&#x27;s entire scientific and cultural heritage, published over centuries in books and journals, is increasingly being digitized and locked up by a handful of private corporations. Want to read the papers featuring the most famous results of the sciences? You&#x27;ll need to send enormous amounts to publishers like Reed Elsevier. There are those struggling to change this. The Open Access Movement has fought valiantly to ensure that scientists do not sign their copyrights away but instead ensure their work is published on the Internet, under terms that allow anyone to access it. But even under the best scenarios, their work will only apply to things published in the future. Everything up until now will have been lost. That is too high a price to pay. Forcing academics to pay money to read the work of their colleagues? Scanning entire libraries but only allowing the folks at Google to read them? Providing scientific articles to those at elite universities in the First World, but not to children in the Global South? It&#x27;s outrageous and unacceptable. &quot;I agree,&quot; many say, &quot;but what can we do? The companies hold the copyrights, they make enormous amounts of money by charging for access, and it&#x27;s perfectly legal — there&#x27;s nothing we can do to stop them.&quot; But there is something we can, something that&#x27;s already being done: we can fight back. Those with access to these resources — students, librarians, scientists — you have been given a privilege. You get to feed at this banquet of knowledge while the rest of the world is locked out. But you need not — indeed, morally, you cannot — keep this privilege for yourselves. You have a duty to share it with the world. And you have: trading passwords with colleagues, filling download requests for friends. Meanwhile, those who have been locked out are not standing idly by. You have been sneaking through holes and climbing over fences, liberating the information locked up by the publishers and sharing them with your friends. But all of this action goes on in the dark, hidden underground. It&#x27;s called stealing or piracy, as if sharing a wealth of knowledge were the moral equivalent of plundering a ship and murdering its crew. But sharing isn&#x27;t immoral — it&#x27;s a moral imperative. Only those blinded by greed would refuse to let a friend make a copy. Large corporations, of course, are blinded by greed. The laws under which they operate require it — their shareholders would revolt at anything less. And the politicians they have bought off back them, passing laws giving them the exclusive power to decide who can make copies. There is no justice in following unjust laws. It&#x27;s time to come into the light and, in the grand tradition of civil disobedience, declare our opposition to this private theft of public culture. We need to take information, wherever it is stored, make our copies and share them with the world. We need to take stuff that&#x27;s out of copyright and add it to the archive. We need to buy secret databases and put them on the Web. We need to download scientific journals and upload them to file sharing networks. We need to fight for Guerilla Open Access. With enough of us, around the world, we&#x27;ll not just send a strong message opposing the privatization of knowledge — we&#x27;ll make it a thing of the past. Will you join us? Aaron Swartz July 2008, Eremo, Italy </code></pre> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;pablorgarcia&#x2F;open-access-manifesto&#x2F;blob&#x2F;gh-pages&#x2F;text&#x2F;manifesto-en.txt">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;pablorgarcia&#x2F;open-access-manifesto&#x2F;blob&#x2F;g...</a>
TOMDMabout 1 year ago
&gt; P. S. Im sending copies of this letter to several friends who are interested in journal publishing but are not members of our board. But this is not an &quot;open letter&quot;; I would prefer not to have my remarks circulated widely. I&#x27;m emphatically not a revolutionary. I just want our journal to do the right thing.<p>:&#x2F;<p>EDIT: as others have pointed out the letter is now hosted publicly by Knuth himself.
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kensaiabout 1 year ago
I am only popping in to say: &quot;wow! what a fantastic typesetting!&quot; (but I shouldn&#x27;t be surprised)
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DrinkWaterabout 1 year ago
Can someone return this mans videos? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cs.stanford.edu&#x2F;~knuth&#x2F;news03.html#videos" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cs.stanford.edu&#x2F;~knuth&#x2F;news03.html#videos</a>
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prirunabout 1 year ago
Relevant: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.libraryjournal.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;could-kkrs-ownership-of-overdrive-raise-questions-about-simon-schuster-purchase" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.libraryjournal.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;could-kkrs-ownership-of...</a>
amerineabout 1 year ago
I&#x27;m curious if anyone subscribes to journals they would recommend today?
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1oooqooqabout 1 year ago
say the person with the most expensive book for sale.
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rauhallinenabout 1 year ago
Some rants from the foxhole.<p>American Chemical Society is the one of the main publishers in molecular sciences. Researchers at Finnish universities haven&#x27;t been able to access articles published after 2023 after failed negotiations [0], greatly hindering one&#x27;s - and collectively the nation&#x27;s - ability to progress in these fields. It&#x27;s quite frustrating, shocking, and eye-opening to have this rug pulled beneath you.<p>Finland is not a poor country, and the situation is surely worse elsewhere. Nonetheless, our economy and the academic funding situation is quite crappy and getting crappier. In 2022, Finnish university library consortium spent ~25M€ for subscriptions [3]. Last year, the negotiated sum for seven main publishers was ~16M€, inc the failed ACS deal. One can easily imagine better ways to use the dozens of millions.<p>Science is expensive and inequalities between countries&#x2F;uni&#x27;s&#x2F;wherever are a n unfortunate fact of the world. Not every player can pay millions to get the 10M€ Cryo-EM machine, and thus can&#x27;t compete in advancing knowledge frontier in this.<p>To some extent, constraints cultivate creativity. One can still participate through collaboration, theoretical and computational work, creative crafting of experiments with already existing equipment (&amp; with fascinating DIY low-cost open-science hardwarex stuff!)<p>However, one must know the giants on whose shoulders one stands on, and the game played by the behemoth publishers attacks this fundament. The consequence - inequality in accessing knowledge is deeply disgusting in its artificiality.<p>Meanwhile, people at eg. MIT are able to get the whole ACS corpus in sweet delicious machine readable XML [3]. In the same time it takes for the &quot;poor&quot; researcher to get one email requested watermarked pdf with detached figures that they excitedly share to their group, a Boston grad student can curl terabytes and science-of-science&#x2F;NLP&#x2F;RAG the shit out of it.<p>Gap exists and grows with the arbitrarily increasing costs. Something needs to change, but for now, I&#x27;m cynical. Strong will get stronger and so on.<p>Thank god for open science movement living on github and *rxivs, and for the risky work taken on by shadow librarians.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;finelib.fi&#x2F;sopimus-acsn-kanssa-paattynyt&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;finelib.fi&#x2F;sopimus-acsn-kanssa-paattynyt&#x2F;</a><p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kiwi.fi&#x2F;display&#x2F;finelib&#x2F;Vuosikertomukset" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kiwi.fi&#x2F;display&#x2F;finelib&#x2F;Vuosikertomukset</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;finelib.fi&#x2F;kustannukset-saatava-kuriin-tiedelehtien-avoimuudesta-neuvotellaan-jalleen&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;finelib.fi&#x2F;kustannukset-saatava-kuriin-tiedelehtien-...</a><p>[3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;libraries.mit.edu&#x2F;scholarly&#x2F;publishing&#x2F;text-and-data-mining-at-mit&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;libraries.mit.edu&#x2F;scholarly&#x2F;publishing&#x2F;text-and-data...</a>
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kbraderoabout 1 year ago
this letter is from 2003.