This is the same company which puts ads all over the OS, can't stop trying to upsell people into using onedrive, forcefully signs you into onedrive, syncs your local files into their cloud without consent, tries really hard to not let you sign in with a local account and most likely does other shady things.<p>Their hardware is more or less garbage. My Surface had a swollen battery which killed the device. It had other issues before the battery killed it.<p>Why would people give money to Microsoft for such bad hardware? They treat their customers like garbage.
Apple charges $200 more for 8GB to 16GB RAM.
The new surface laptop is charging $300 to go from 8GB to 16GB :)<p><a href="https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/configure/Surface-Laptop-6-for-Business/8pz3fvs57qcv?crosssellid=&selectedColor=86888a" rel="nofollow">https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/configure/Surface-Lapt...</a>
The so-called "AI PC" is nothing more than a marketing gimmick. It has no new features, just a Copilot button on the keyboard and the same background editing function for web conferences that has been available for a long time.
When I purchased a laptop last year I went with MSI:<p>32GB RAM
1TB SSD
4080 12GB
3 USBC
2 USB3.2<p>$2100 CAD.<p>My only complaint was Windows 11 which was immediately rectified. Though not before having a full screen Xbox Live ad that couldn't be closed through any means.<p>Since removing MS the laptop functions perfectly, runs models locally without any fuss and powers any game I want at 4k60hz or 3k144hz(1440p).<p>What is the reason for the high pricing of Surface models?
Tablet CPU is Intel Core Ultra 7 165U, which should perform similar to an M1 Pro:
<a href="https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/5825vs4584/Intel-Ultra-7-165U-vs-Apple-M1-Pro-8-Core-3200-MHz" rel="nofollow">https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/5825vs4584/Intel-Ultra-...</a>
I liked it when their wonderful hardware design team tried really daring things with their form factors. The Studio giant screen you can tilt and draw on. The Surface Book that has the tilting screen. The one with the detachable screen. The Surface Duo and Neo.
So the headphone jack is definitely gone, and we're stuck at 2 usb ports.<p>That was the situation brought with the Surface Pro 9 already, but I wish they did something to aleviate either of these.<p>It feels like the only decent upgrade from a Surface Pro 8 will be an Asus Z13 ?
Microsoft continue to ship their Surface laptops with over-sized power bricks, which is enough to disqualify them.<p>Similar spec Samsung laptops (Galaxy Books) come with a regular USB-C cable and a fast charging power adapter that looks like any other plug.<p>Anybody know why Samsung can do this and Microsoft can't?<p>Only having to lug around a single cable and charger for all devices is a dealbreaker.
I'll keep my old Surface for now.<p>The next real change will bei AMD Strix with a good integrated GPU or Intels Arrow Lake which should draw much less power than the current generation. If possible with on-die memory for performance and less power usage.
I'm still waiting to this idiotic unlappable design trend to pass and some company to come up with a 2-piece convertible similar to the original surface book.
Sadly, this is more of MSFT's "we can do what Apple does too!".<p>For a "business" oriented portable why is it so limited on ports? No wired Ethernet? As many others have pointed out, why are the 3D graphics so hobbled? People use laptops for CAD, visualizations and these days GPUs perform offload of a lot of other functions.<p>I saw someone "crap" on Dell and Lenovo but honestly I think most of the Lattitude laptops have really good build quality, decent availbility of parts and good longevity.<p>Lenovo X1 Carbons are far from perfect but they're pretty solid machines and still offer wired Ethernet (albiet via a breakout dongle) and a decent amount of ports. Linux works pretty decently here too.<p>I never understood what the value add of MSFT's Surface family was/is, supposedly a "first party" portable with Windows with the same quality and engineering as an Apple product but if you look at HOW they go about it they seem to keep missing the point. If you go to Wikipedia and punch in 'Surface' you'll see some crazy big table of devices they've churned out, all with varying degrees of issues.<p>I have a Surface Pro 2 which runs Debian Linux quite well (like another poster pointed out) so that's cool but it's has a lot of oddities that wouldn't be acceptable had the machine not been free.<p>Lenovo made an X1 Tablet family that's fanless and is honestly pretty compelling if you need a fanless, "tablet-like" PC that runs Windows. I use mine as a car diagnostics computer and the car software needs Windows.<p>If I were writing the specs for a "business computer" it'd include being fanless, excellent battery life, plethora of ports incl. legacy USB-A, light-weight and durable. I doubt any Surface will meet that.<p>Apple MBPs and Apple Airs BTW do NOT meet these criteria either, lack of ports, chunkier / heavier on the MBP line, can't do dual-displays on the Air, macOS really needing 16GB but Apple charging a crazy tax for 16GB+ of RAM, etc.
Why this non-sense in pricing?<p>- 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD is $1200<p>- 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD is $1500<p>This is much worse than Apple, and I thought MSFT was more sensible than that!
Yawn, what is this ad driven nonsense, just give us a spec sheet. Who really wants to scroll through 5 pages of marketing drivel to get the details.<p>>From a performance perspective, Surface Laptop 6 is 2x faster than Laptop 52, and Surface Pro 10 is up to 53% faster than Pro 9.<p>The competition here is macbook and ipad, not last years stuff.<p>Why do the surface people keep hamstringing themselves with intel? I am confused to what shady backroom deal is going on but it seems rather silly for Microsoft/Surface. They can't compete because they don't have the most performant per watt, nor battery efficiency. They used to have AMD ones, and we know they work with them for other tech a la xbox, azure, etc... so what is up with the surface line getting this exclusivity?