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Smart devices are turning out to be a poor investment

85 pointsby franczeskoabout 1 year ago

21 comments

crtifiedabout 1 year ago
The so-called smart device generation was only ever a thin veneer of commercial smoke-and-mirrors over what is, in most cases, (the likes of) simple switches and timers and remote controls. Ironically made overcomplex by vendor lock-in and the "oh-so-smart" routing of your trivial controls through clunky bloated phone apps and international internet servers.
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imoverclockedabout 1 year ago
I purchased a bunch of Phillips Hue bulbs and they have started to age out. I hadn’t paid much attention to the space and found out that Phillips was phasing the Hue ecosystem out in favor of just connecting everything to WiFi directly. I purchased two bulbs to give it a try and one has connectivity issues while the other has severe quality issues (flickering, refusing to turn off, etc)<p>I really like the Hue ecosystem but not being able to keep buying into it a mere 5 years later is a big turnoff.<p>One of the two newer bulbs from Philips supported Matter by updating the firmware. It wasn’t at all clear that would be the case when I purchased them.<p>Finally, I’ve learned to avoid anything that supports “Siri shortcuts.” I want actual support so my home app and thus HomePods can do the right thing out of the box.
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relyksabout 1 year ago
Personally, I just want better integration between my smart home devices and for their protocols to be open. I wish I could easily script behavior, and something like running HomeAssistant or Homebridge as a compatibility layer shouldn&#x27;t be necessary. Right now, each platform essentially creates vendor lock-in. You need to stick with one platform or your devices are pretty much useless. This could end up being better with the adoption of Matter and Thread over Matter, but I&#x27;m already seeing issues. The article even mentions that manufacturers are even being slow to adopt Matter and that Amazon is removing standards for remote control like ADB.<p>If I make an announcement using Alexa with an Echo speaker, I want my Google Home speakers&#x2F;hubs and other devices to also get the announcement. If someone rings my Nest Doorbell, I want to be able to access the video feed on my LG TV or Echo Hub. If I have some form of sensor that I want to use from a manufacturer, I shouldn&#x27;t need their hub to talk to it. Whatever I&#x27;m using as my control system or hub should already be compatible, but even with Matter-supported sensors&#x2F;devices, these are all still issues.
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gmd63about 1 year ago
It&#x27;s not just smart devices, it&#x27;s things like vanilla autocorrect on my iPhone. It&#x27;s done incredibly stupid autocorrects, like divide a simple, grammatically correct four letter word into two strings of non-word characters.<p>This is what we asked for when we discarded software development for &quot;AI&quot;, aka &quot;I&#x27;m done thinking, im just going to roll the dice on hyperparameters and evolve tech through random mutation instead of reason&quot;
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dcchambersabout 1 year ago
It&#x27;s amazing how on the one side of things we&#x27;ve got OpenAI, Llama, Gemini, Mistral, etc making mind-blowing LLMs that feel truly like the future.<p>And at the same time we&#x27;ve got Siri, Alexa&#x2F;Amazon Echo stuff, and Google Home stuff that already feels dated and is actively getting worse with each passing year.<p>Funny that these two things are happening at the same time.
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kelnosabout 1 year ago
A decent part of the problem is that consumers don&#x27;t have obvious, well-supported choices that don&#x27;t lock them into a particular proprietary ecosystem.<p>I&#x27;ve been running smart switches, bulbs, thermostats, sensors, etc. using a Raspberry Pi, a Z-Wave USB stick, and openHAB as my automation center for years now. I have a remote-control cloud component, but I run it myself and have full control over it. All my in-home devices (save one) support local control and don&#x27;t require an internet connection. But no way is your average (or even above-average) non-technical person going to be able to set up something like this. The software is not friendly, the hardware is fiddly to set up, and updates are rarely seamless.<p>Certainly someone could build a product around these things, and work to make it more reliable and consumer-friendly. But if they&#x27;re going to resist the temptation to monetize further in anti-consumer ways, I suspect that such a system would have to cost quite a bit more up-front than the cloud-required, privacy-dubious systems on offer today. Most people will not realize why they might actually want (over the long term) the more expensive solution. So they get the cheaper stuff, and then get upset in a year or three when the company that runs it screws them over.
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wnc3141about 1 year ago
I too have noticed Google home&#x27;s voice recognition has declined, but can&#x27;t understand how the technology could become worse.
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lifeisstillgoodabout 1 year ago
To me the gap in the market is for convincing <i>advice</i> - we probably have to admit we are past the point of “ it a device and it’s all good”.<p>Speaking for myself, I am technically competent but lacking the time to invest to find all the pitfalls for simple home network management - I mean really simple.<p>So I have a growing family and want to<p>- end my ISP at a router I own and control with say openWRT.<p>- run cabling to each floor because the wifi turns to dog crap after a few yards indoors<p>- replace two “smart TVs” that we spend more time fighting probably with computer monitors but all I want is a dumb screen that does what it says<p>- then tell me what plugs into the hdmi port of that dumb screen? A raspberry pi? What’s it running? Can I use an apple something something - what’s the uo or down side?<p>- I am not even thinking about turning on light bulbs or central heating yet.<p>There is a small book or maybe an hour or twos youtube video on this and then I am clicking the affiliate links - but I need to trust the advice .. does it exist?
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hotdogscoutabout 1 year ago
What product or service do people expect from a smart speaker?<p>Mobile phones can be an investment if you don&#x27;t have one but smart devices are for comfort and entertainment, not production.
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jimbobimboabout 1 year ago
I&#x27;m renovating the house I live in and the closest to smart devices I installed were Caseta plug in dimmers with pico remotes. The rest of dimmers are just hardwired Maestros. Knowing the half life of an internet facing service, the last thing I want is someone pulling the rug from under all my electrical stuff.<p>Once I tried to enable the app for the washer and dryer and have given up on the app suggesting I disable the firewall for something to connect. No thank you.
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MathMonkeyManabout 1 year ago
Stallman was right.<p>I have some smart relays that somebody graciously reverse engineered in Python. I still need the spyware app to &quot;bless&quot; a relay, but then it works over TCP (JSON) afterward. Could also skip the app but it&#x27;s much more complicated.<p>I got an e-reader that you can drop epub files into (Kobo).<p>Basically, &quot;control&quot; is almost more important to me than quality, where electronics are concerned. And I&#x27;m not a hardliner.<p>It will only get worse.
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caconym_about 1 year ago
I self-host quite a few &quot;&quot;&quot;cloud&quot;&quot;&quot; services, but my smart home stuff (nothing too fancy, a Lutron hub and some Matter plugs) all runs on Apple gear (Homepods, Apple TV) and I honestly have no concerns that they&#x27;re going to make any of it worse or stop supporting it within a time horizon that I could reasonably complain about. My 4 year old iPhone is still getting <i>feature</i> updates, and I have friends with what must be nearly decade-old Apple TVs at this point still just chugging along, streaming videos, not shoving ads in their faces.<p>Maybe by the time it all ages out there will be good self-hosted replacement options, but until then Apple is the only big tech company I&#x27;d consider buying integrated devices from. The rest, as the article notes, are fucking awful.
theKabout 1 year ago
&gt; I had certain expectations for the future. Smart homes that did my bidding, palm-sized computers that were truly my own, and functional ecosystems that accurately responded to my voice or presence all felt right<p>You can have your family set up with Fairphones that run &#x2F;e&#x2F; or similar and self host everything today (nextcloud, hass, VPN).<p>This does get you very close. It also means you have to put up with significant maintenance work, especially catering towards the corporate edges.<p>Case in point, I just spent an hour debugging why we couldn&#x27;t share YouTube links to our Kodi TVs anymore...
m463about 1 year ago
I&#x27;m just waiting for &quot;smart devices&quot; to become &quot;evil devices&quot; and talk 5g or arrange with comacst to use the &quot;xfinitywifi&quot; ssid directly to end-run around consumers who don&#x27;t connect their devices.
vlarkabout 1 year ago
The movie Electric Dreams taught me back in 1984 never to trust home automation: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=H6agO47o96c" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=H6agO47o96c</a>
ameliusabout 1 year ago
SmartTVs<p>I hate them. They only exist to spy on the owner. Should have bought a large monitor instead.
myself248about 1 year ago
&quot;turning out to&quot;.... @internetofshit was registered in 2015. Everyone saw this coming.
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sys_64738about 1 year ago
I never understood why my toothbrush and toaster needed to connect to wifi to be usable.
pfdietzabout 1 year ago
The Internet of Things I Won&#x27;t Buy.
kkfxabout 1 year ago
I have (tried to) make a smart-home for mostly three main purposes:<p>- maximize p.v. self-consumption, the sole reasonable economical model for p.v.<p>- exterior surveillance when I&#x27;m outside, both to know if some thief pass by or to open the gate to a postman to get a package delivered anyway, following him&#x2F;her on cam and being able to talk via the entryphone<p>- emergency automations, like close the water in case of a leak, shot down anything in case of no p.v. an low battery etc<p>All such activities are damn limited by the iron available on sale. Let&#x27;s start with the most interesting economically: since the Sun does not shine all days for the entire duration of the day the most loads I can shift the most I get from my p.v. I&#x27;ve decided to buy a modern &quot;future ready&quot; heat-pump water heater for a most reputable manufacturer here in EU (a Daikin&#x2F;Rotex M2O EKHHP, now they are called Altherma) and well... It&#x27;s solo possible integration are two dry contacts, two bits to command 4 possible states:<p>- do not consume<p>- do heat at maximum power (heat-pump ~800W and classic resistance ~2kW)<p>- do whatever you want following water temperature<p>- do start with the heat-pump and after 15&#x27; also power uo the resistence<p>Now, this last state is IMVHO a total absurd. Sometimes I have some spare 800W only so I&#x27;d like to heat if it&#x27;s possible with the heat pump ONLY, not &quot;for 15&#x27; than go full power&quot;, sometimes I have 2kW spare but not 2.8kW. So why not something less absurd? They offer a ModBUS card used essentially just to get internal water temperature and few other measures, why not allow a full command of the unit beside the two dry contacts useful only to be coupled with modern grid smart-meter that allow to piloting big loads following current energy prices? Just few registers to allow &quot;do not run&quot;, &quot;run automatically&quot;, &quot;run the heat-pump if possible&quot;, &quot;run the resistance if possible&quot;? This alone represent a very little OEM costs, a potentially interesting economy for owners&#x2F;integrators. Of course if we have also washing machines, dishwashers, ovens etc that instead of a big resistence offer few smaller one, and allow to power them up&#x2F;cut them off one by one centrally commanded by a homeserver integration it will be also much better. But no, we have very chatty washing machines <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tomshardware.com&#x2F;networking&#x2F;your-washing-machine-could-be-sending-37-gb-of-data-a-day" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tomshardware.com&#x2F;networking&#x2F;your-washing-machine...</a> but nothing else. In the future we will have washingmachines without control panel to be controlled only via some cloud-backed (cr)app but not something useful for a personal integration. Not talking about IPcam able to run locally without buying an Axis one, using one of the various open protocols we have...<p>Long story short: smart devices are just OEM-controlled, user-macro-spy devices and that&#x27;s why they are a very poor investments WHILE proper smart devices potentially could be very nice investments if they are designed for the owner, not only for the OEM.<p>I hereby propose a new crime: surveillance crime against humanity, where any connected device that&#x27;s connected and controlled NOT by the formal owner infra should be illegal to sell and a crime to have them operation for the OEM. From roomba to all new cars they should be allowed to connect to the OEM IF THE USER WANT but by default they MUST offer local connectivity and open protocols.
patchtopicabout 1 year ago
this leads us to the 2023 Word of the Year from the American Dialect Society:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Enshittification" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Enshittification</a>