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Autonomous Overhead Powerline Recharging for Uninterrupted Drone Operations [video]

189 pointsby DocFeindabout 1 year ago

28 comments

lolcabout 1 year ago
This is the funniest thing I saw this week. The idea that such a teensy drone could travel continental distances by hanging like a bat and recharge between runs. Sure solar gliders may keep aloft indefinitely too. But this one steals its juice!
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cdchnabout 1 year ago
Saying &quot;this would be good for power line inspection drones&quot; is true, but think bigger. Imagine if you could operate a fleet of delivery, surveillance, _whatever_ drones, with an already in place, widely distributed charging infrastructure that costs you nothing to build (but you pay for usage).<p>This is like in-flight refueling massively extending the operating range of jet aircraft.
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jl6about 1 year ago
I imagine that billing for the electricity usage will be the power company’s distant second concern behind the mechanical stress of hanging unauthorized devices off a cable that was not designed with this scenario in mind.
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m463about 1 year ago
You can hold up fluorescent tubes under high voltage power lines and they will light up.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;duckduckgo.com&#x2F;?q=fluorescent+tubes+power+lines&amp;iar=images&amp;iax=images&amp;ia=images" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;duckduckgo.com&#x2F;?q=fluorescent+tubes+power+lines&amp;iar=...</a><p>I&#x27;ve always wondered why drones didn&#x27;t just come with qi charger landing pads.
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rkagererabout 1 year ago
I presume the current transformer is spec&#x27;d for a particular range of current&#x2F;voltage. Would the drone need to assess if the line is a suitable one before (or after) connecting?<p>Also was a private power line used, or did the university ask the power company for permission before conducting their field tests?
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doikorabout 1 year ago
That is going to be really hard (impossible?) to monitor for billing purposes. Basically would have to resort to self reporting&#x2F;honor system.
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peter_d_shermanabout 1 year ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.comsol.com&#x2F;paper&#x2F;image&#x2F;66162&#x2F;big.png" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.comsol.com&#x2F;paper&#x2F;image&#x2F;66162&#x2F;big.png</a><p>From the following paper:<p>&quot;Electromagnetic Simulation of <i>Split-Core Current Transformer</i> for Medium Voltage Applications&quot; by N. Paudel, V. Siddharth, S. Shaw and D. Raschka (2018)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.comsol.com&#x2F;paper&#x2F;electromagnetic-simulation-of-split-core-current-transformer-for-medium-voltage-66162" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.comsol.com&#x2F;paper&#x2F;electromagnetic-simulation-of-s...</a><p>Related:<p>Learn everything about the <i>Split-Core Current Transformer</i>:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;innovatorsguru.com&#x2F;split-core-current-transformer" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;innovatorsguru.com&#x2F;split-core-current-transformer</a><p>Video about Current Transformers:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=32Vw40nUSwA&amp;t=92s" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=32Vw40nUSwA&amp;t=92s</a>
Roark66about 1 year ago
Very cool, but I see one major problem with this. You need pretty large currents in these lines. They say above 100A. I&#x27;m not sure what are the usage patterns of such lines I&#x27;d be surprised if it wasn&#x27;t substantially below 100A of current even on lower voltage lines.<p>For example the lowest voltage that is used in my country (befoeits stepped down for consumers) is 10kV. This system would need 1MW of load to be useful. So let&#x27;s say the line supplies a small community of 250 houses. Each house would need to be running a load of 4kW. How reliably can we predict such usage?<p>So I think this is going to be limited to &quot;perch&quot; on large inter-City connections.
nottorpabout 1 year ago
Flying trolleybuses :)<p>If you live near a power line, is it worth it to have a few drones automatically go back and forth and recharge your house batteries for free?
mrinterwebabout 1 year ago
I can&#x27;t imagine power companies would be ok with this. People go to jail for tapping into power lines. Energy theft from power lines is illegal.<p>Even if this was somehow allowed by power companies, I wonder if they would be any weight considerations if multiple drones hooked on to the same line span.<p>I see applications for this, but anyone operating these drones would need clearance from the power company they are tapping into.
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blacksmith_tbabout 1 year ago
Pretty cool, though my take is that if it&#x27;s recharging just from induction it&#x27;s essentially stealing the electricity... I suppose if the owners of the lines want to have autonomous drones monitor their status, that&#x27;s not stealing, but if you wanted to release some little flying vampire drones of your own which could run indefinitely that way, someone might be less amused.
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Havocabout 1 year ago
Would this have energy loss in the same way a phone wireless charger has? Or is this just leeching energy that would be lost anyway
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kernobleabout 1 year ago
Reminds me of this video demonstrating this on the ground with a self wound inductor.<p>I&#x27;m assuming the one on the drone is optimized for the voltage&#x2F;freqency of that transmission line.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=CLS8pbDNHbk" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=CLS8pbDNHbk</a>
shahar2kabout 1 year ago
I imagine something like a weaponized version of this, loitering semi autonomous drone swarms fully charged &#x2F; ready to deploy hanging off wires... a bit like the US spider munition or just smart landmines.
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ortusduxabout 1 year ago
Prev. post &#x2F; original publication: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=39943807">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=39943807</a>
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1970-01-01about 1 year ago
The pessimist in me says developing this tech into a standard would be handing terrorists a very quick and effective way to shear power lines.
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scotty79about 1 year ago
I hope Ukrainians are watching this. It would be a shame if even a single russian refinery remained out of their drones range.
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pnjunctionabout 1 year ago
Wow! Is there any project which allows collaborative SLAM? OSM&#x2F;Mapillary for commercial drones basically.
bdammabout 1 year ago
This opens up all kinds of legal issues. The military applications could be very interesting as well.
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GTPabout 1 year ago
Don&#x27;t tell your electricity company about this :D
ben_wabout 1 year ago
Congrats to the team.<p>Semi-seriously: Yet another item on the list of ideas I totally came up with on my own, honest, I just never did the hard work to make it real.<p>(I know, I know, my ideas count for nothing when I don&#x27;t turn them into reality. Actually making hardware means solving a lot more problems than my imagination provides, and who likes facing <i>those</i> surprises in side-projects?)
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dontupvotemeabout 1 year ago
Can&#x27;t wait for the failure mode where they sit over HVDC lines, fail because there&#x27;s no alternating magnetic field, and then fall on them and hobble the infrastructure.
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hatenbergabout 1 year ago
Ukraine will be taking note.
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akira2501about 1 year ago
It&#x27;s going to be a very costly operation to go retrieve one of those once it&#x27;s &quot;gripper&quot; ultimately fails. That&#x27;s hoping it fails closed instead of failing open. Getting these parked in the face of upcoming weather is not going to be particularly fun, either.<p>Given that you need a solid alternate location anyways, why not just go there instead? Then we can build safe single function autonomous ground charging stations that a human being can just walk up to and service on foot.<p>Too clever by half.
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jiveturkeyabout 1 year ago
if it flies it spies
pockmockchockabout 1 year ago
this is nice, perfect for surveillance, like boarder control etc.
sans_souseabout 1 year ago
Now let&#x27;s get powerlines in the roads for ∞ car charging en route
AI_beffrabout 1 year ago
i had this idea in 2011
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