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Don't take your highest-paying internship offer

39 pointsby AlexeyMKabout 13 years ago

5 comments

socraticabout 13 years ago
Is there a better signal than high-pay for choosing a technical internship? Looking at Alexey's list, with the exception of hedge funds, Google, Facebook, Twitter, Dropbox would be my top choices for where to do a technical internship, and they're also the highest paying. I suspect this is because a good engineering culture leads to engineers that cost more and get better equipment which eventually filters down to interns. (Obviously, there are exceptions, though.)<p>More broadly, is interning at a startup a good place to learn technical skills (rather than marketing, networking, funding, etc.)? Most of the information on running common web stacks, for example (nginx, rails, django, node.js, varnish, postgres, mysql, redis, etc.), is either freely available on the web or even can be bought as a service (heroku, app engine, aws). By contrast, the only way to find out how engineers have solved problems (web serving, analytics, etc.) at truly huge scale (e.g., 10+% of the human population) is to actually see the solutions at a big company (though sometimes companies will publish details of 3+ year old infrastructure). Big companies also tend to have stricter code review cultures, while small companies tend to just need code written now. All of this seems to point to learning significantly more at a (technically excellent) big company, even though the "output" of the intern might appear to be less.<p>In fact, doing a startup seems like it might be more like resume stuffing than working at Google or Facebook these days. Working at a small startup, you get to talk about your impact, how you built a mission critical piece of infrastructure, whereas at a big company you're probably only trusted to write some small features that are not in the critical path of full time engineers. What's more, you get to say that you worked at a startup, which everyone pretty much respects around California, even if the startup dies or wasn't very technically interesting. But the potential for learning quality engineering through code review and understanding the existing infrastructure seems a lot higher at the big company.
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nickbarnwellabout 13 years ago
While the article has a fair point it really would be better phrasing to say "Take the highest yield internship offer."<p>This summer I had the opportunity to choose between a couple of YC-backed companies at different stages, a Founders Fund/500 Startups-backed company and Google. I chose the latter - not because of the pay, but because it was the only offer that would be a truly novel experience. As one of the rising freshmen the post mentions, experiences include:<p>- A startup that didn't gain traction and went under<p>- A startup that had its Series A and a liquidity event within 18 months<p>- A startup that had turned into a scalable, profitable business<p>While I love the camaraderie with the team and the impact on the product it's possible to have as an intern at a company where the only difference between you and a fulltime engineer is age, it's possible, albeit unlikely, I may enjoy working at a large company and would still be unaware of it had I passed on the opportunity. More importantly, being able to put Google on your resume is a strong signaling mechanism , and the concentration of wicked intelligent, inquisitive people of your age is hard to beat.
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jmdukeabout 13 years ago
I'm confused.<p>I think most people in the position to receive internship offers from multiple reputable companies are intelligent enough to discriminate on more than money.<p>Raw salary, too, isn't an indicator so much of 'how valuable the company perceives you to be' as it is a function of competition and cost of living. $10K a month working for a quant firm in New York sounds great, but your living expenses are going to be much higher than, say, Seattle or Boston -- and your per hour is likely to be much lower as well, as you're likely spending upwards of sixty hours a week in the office.
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robert_mygengoabout 13 years ago
This is not necessarily bad advice. However it's kind of arrogant.<p>While "the point of an internship is [...] to learn what kind of work or industry you want to be in once you graduate, to try things out and live in cool places." is partly true (especially in the current economy) it's a pretty naive way of looking at yourself.<p>If you're doing an internship, you're probably not a fully-fledged and employable person yet. You probably aren't ready to take on a huge amount of responsibility. The internship is there to teach you some of the other aspects of working with others in a real company (not a college project) that you simply can't get from college. Most 25 year olds don't have those skills. Don't forget that.<p>It's a lovely job market right now in Silicon Valley, but it won't be forever. The individuals that have a bit of humility respect the fact they need to learn throughout their career, and in the long run will do better.
michaelbwangabout 13 years ago
This is definitely an interesting post. I'm curious how non-technical positions measure up in terms of summer pay per month.
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