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The purge of German science in 1933

152 pointsby privatdozentabout 1 year ago

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KingOfCodersabout 1 year ago
And 1945. Double whammy. Germany never made a comeback.<p>The anti-science culture revolution of the 1970s cemented this. It&#x27;s cool to be bad in science in schools since then, every celebrity boasts about how bad they were in mathematics etc.
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perihelionsabout 1 year ago
One aspect of this that fascinated me is Nazi Germany&#x27;s &quot;physics denialism&quot; (?) — the reactionary response to the modern physics revolutions of the early 20th century. (I.e. the twin revolutions of quantum physics and of relativity). It was a much weirder response than simply an attack on physicists who happened to be Jewish humans. <i>Fields</i> of physics were conspiratorially labelled as having a &quot;Jewish&quot; character, and dismissed as psuedoscience, as pathological science: &quot;Jüdische Physik&quot;. There was a fanaticism that&#x27;s hard to grapple with philosophically, a thing that&#x27;s far outside rationality, a magical thinking. How much more &quot;magical&quot; can you get than disregarding <i>natural physical laws</i>, and substituting your own? That&#x27;s the definition of magic.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Deutsche_Physik" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Deutsche_Physik</a> (<i>&quot;Deutsche Physik&quot;</i> or <i>&quot;Aryan Physics&quot;</i>)
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leephillipsabout 1 year ago
The discussion of Weyl is incoherent: according to the author he was both forced out and decided to leave. The reality is that he decided to leave Germany out of fear for his family, after delaying an alarming interval of time.<p>One of the very first people to be removed from a faculty position by the Nazis in the purge of Jews is also one of the most important mathematicians and scientists of the 20th century, but goes unmentioned by this author. I discuss her removal and its aftermath, and the phenomenon of her invisibility to both amateur and professional historians, in my forthcoming book: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lee-phillips.org&#x2F;noether&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lee-phillips.org&#x2F;noether&#x2F;</a>
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caseysoftwareabout 1 year ago
Of the scientists who stayed.. what did they do during&#x2F;after the war?
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xyzelementabout 1 year ago
It occurs to me that anti-semitism is a disease that ultimately destroys its host.<p>If Germany &quot;simply&quot; wanted to win WW2, it should have cultivated its Jewish scientists (and by the way, 100K Jewish soldiers served their country in WW1) instead of eradicating them as per this article. Not to mention, diverting scarce wartime resources towards the program of concentration camps and ethnic extermination is not just pure evil - but strategically stupid.<p>It seems very clear that Hitler and his friends hated the Jews more than they wished for some positive outcome for Germany. This pattern repeats throughout history including in the modern day.<p>Ultimately, once you start optimizing for your hatred vs your love (of your own people, for example) you&#x27;re going to make decisions that doom you.
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RecycledEleabout 1 year ago
Here is a purported list of authors banned in Germany in 1933:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_authors_banned_in_Nazi_Germany" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_authors_banned_in_Nazi...</a><p>A Alfred Adler Hermann Adler Max Adler Raoul Auernheimer<p>B Bertolt Brecht Otto Bauer Vicki Baum Johannes R. Becher Richard Beer-Hofmann Hilaire Belloc Walter Benjamin Robert Hugh Benson Walter A. Berendsohn Ernst Bloch Felix Braun Bertolt Brecht Willi Bredel Hermann Broch Ferdinand Bruckner Edmund Burke<p>C G. K. Chesterton<p>D Dorothy Day Ludwig Dexheimer[3] Alfred Döblin John Dos Passos<p>E Einstein&#x27;s official 1921 portrait after receiving the Nobel Prize in Physics Albert Ehrenstein Albert Einstein Carl Einstein Friedrich Engels Erasmus<p>F Sigmund Freud Lion Feuchtwanger F. Scott Fitzgerald Marieluise Fleißer Leonhard Frank Anna Freud Sigmund Freud Egon Friedell<p>G Edward Gibbon André Gide Ernst Glaeser William Godwin Emma Goldman Claire Goll Oskar Maria Graf George Grosz<p>H Ernest Hemingway Ernst Haeckel Radclyffe Hall Jaroslav Hašek Walter Hasenclever Raoul Hausmann Heinrich Heine Ernest Hemingway Theodor Herzl Hermann Hesse Magnus Hirschfeld J. Edgar Hoover Jakob van Hoddis Ödön von Horvath Karl Hubbuch David Hume Aldous Huxley<p>I Vera Inber<p>J Hans Henny Jahnn Thomas Jefferson Georg Jellinek<p>K Franz Kafka in 1910 Franz Kafka Georg Kaiser Mascha Kaleko Hermann Kantorowicz Erich Kästner Karl Kautsky Hans Kelsen Alfred Kerr Irmgard Keun John Maynard Keynes Klabund Heinrich Kley Annette Kolb Paul Kornfeld Siegfried Kracauer Karl Kraus Peter Kropotkin Adam Kuckhoff<p>L Portrait of Jack London, taken between 1906 and 1916 Else Lasker-Schüler Vladimir Lenin C. S. Lewis Karl Liebknecht Jack London Ernst Lothar Emil Ludwig Rosa Luxemburg<p>M Thomas Mann in the early period of his writing career Joseph de Maistre André Malraux Heinrich Mann Klaus Mann Thomas Mann[4] Mao Zedong Hans Marchwitza Ludwig Marcuse Karl Marx Vladimir Mayakovsky Walter Mehring Thomas Merton E.C. Albrecht Meyenberg Gustav Meyrink Ludwig von Mises Thomas More Erich Mühsam Robert Musil Taryn Moses<p>N Alfred Neumann Robert Neumann John Henry Newman<p>O Carl von Ossietzky in Esterwegen concentration camp (1934). Flannery O&#x27;Connor George Orwell Carl von Ossietzky Ouida<p>P Marcel Proust Thomas Paine Hertha Pauli Adelheid Popp Marcel Proust<p>R Erich Maria Remarque in Davos, 1929. Fritz Reck-Malleczewen Gustav Regler Wilhelm Reich Erich Maria Remarque Karl Renner Joachim Ringelnatz Joseph Roth Jean-Jacques Rousseau<p>S Rudolf Steiner around 1891&#x2F;92, etching by Otto Fröhlich Nelly Sachs Felix Salten Rahel Sanzara Arthur Schnitzler Alvin Schwartz Anna Seghers Walter Serner Fulton Sheen Ignazio Silone Adam Smith Joseph Stalin Rudolf Steiner Carl Sternheim<p>T J.R.R. Tolkien Ernst Toller Friedrich Torberg B. Traven Leon Trotsky Kurt Tucholsky Mark Twain<p>V Voltaire<p>W H. G. Wells circa 1918 Jakob Wassermann Armin T. Wegner Simone Weil H. G. Wells Franz Werfel Oscar Wilde Eugen Gottlob Winkler Friedrich Wolf<p>Z Carl Zuckmayer Arnold Zweig Stefan Zweig
graycatabout 1 year ago
Common estimates are that WWII killed 50 million to 100 million people. So, wanted to get some understanding of how it happened, how to avoid such, and looked at many descriptions of that history.<p>I&#x27;m just a US citizen, not a professional historian, and here have only rough explanations, maybe not 100% wrong.<p>A really short description: Hitler became a dictator and then went nuts.<p>For a little more:<p>(1) Foundation. The German <i>culture</i> didn&#x27;t have much in resistance, walls, defenses, etc. against a dictatorship. Hopefully our US Constitution and three branches of government will have the US do better.<p>(2) Provocation. Germany suffered in WWI, the provisions of the Treaty of Versailles, some massive monetary inflation, and, then, the Great Depression.<p>(3) Unification. Early on, say, starting near 1933, Hitler was an effective speaker and able to exploit the culture and the provication politically to <i>unify</i> Germany.<p>(4) Success. Soon Hitler was a dictator and had something of a 4 year plan to get the economy going again. In simple terms, the plan worked.<p>Hitler and Germany could&#x27;a stopped there and likely been okay.<p>(5) Empire. Long in Europe, the idea of an <i>empire</i> was common, and Hitler wanted one and started grabbing land.<p>There was the reaction of the conference and treaty at Munich, 9&#x2F;30&#x2F;1938.<p>Hitler could&#x27;a stopped there, but, nope, he was only beginning. He had an excuse he could use -- his <i>master race</i> wanted <i>living space</i>.<p>(6) Poland. He attacked Poland and quickly occupied about half of it. An excuse was that he wanted the piece of Poland that separated Germany and East Prussia. France and England responded with war on Germany, but it didn&#x27;t do much. Hitler could&#x27;a stopped there.<p>By then Hitler had done lots of ugly things and got away with them, e.g., the Holocaust.<p>(7) Military. Hitler&#x27;s military did well in fast attacks against opponents not yet taking war seriously.<p>For longer, larger battles, his military was not good: His airplanes didn&#x27;t have enough range to do well bombing England. England&#x27;s defense -- radar, Spitfires -- was good; Hitler&#x27;s losses were high; and he gave up.<p>He could&#x27;a stopped there.<p>Instead, he attacked Russia; his front and supply lines were both too long; and Russia was too much for his &quot;fast attack military&quot;.<p>(8) Two Fronts. While Hitler was losing in Russia, the US and England did the D-Day attack at Normandy and quickly ran to Germany. He was in a &quot;two front&quot; war with both fronts <i>long lasting</i> and too much for his &quot;fast attack military&quot;.<p>(9) Nuts. He had lots of chances to stop in place, declare victory, sign some papers, and live in peace. Instead, as his attack on Russia was failing he went nuts and went even more nuts after D-Day.<p>Lesson: Too commonly, if make a human a dictator, they will be short on constraints and do nutty things, e.g., want to <i>take over the world</i>. So, have a constitution and a democracy that keeps out dictators.
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j7akeabout 1 year ago
This goes to show how prestige and reputation built up over centuries can be destroyed in a matter of decades.<p>Also the prestige and reputation of institutions rest solely on the superstars that are in that institution. A single prominent scientist can carry the prestige of an entire institute. This means when they leave, the reputation goes with it.
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atleastoptimalabout 1 year ago
I wonder just how advanced Germany would be nowadays without the World Wars.
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jjgreenabout 1 year ago
Long and interesting article from 2024, the title is &quot;The Great Purge (1933)&quot; (which kind-of clashes with the HN conventions ...)
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