TE
TechEcho
Home24h TopNewestBestAskShowJobs
GitHubTwitter
Home

TechEcho

A tech news platform built with Next.js, providing global tech news and discussions.

GitHubTwitter

Home

HomeNewestBestAskShowJobs

Resources

HackerNews APIOriginal HackerNewsNext.js

© 2025 TechEcho. All rights reserved.

Even Portland now is banning camping, part of the West Coast retreat

26 pointsby wallflowerabout 1 year ago

4 comments

helpfulfrondabout 1 year ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;TXPNV" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;TXPNV</a>
starkparkerabout 1 year ago
&quot;Even Portland&quot;? Ted Wheeler has been trying to ban camping, or taking steps to effectively circumvent county and state attempts that prohibited him from banning camping, for _years_ now. He&#x27;s been gunning for it for both of his terms and keeps failing to get anywhere.<p>First of all, Portland tried to regulate daytime tent camping in 2016. It failed after six months. Wheeler ran for mayor that year saying he would solve homelessness; through both of his terms, it&#x27;s gotten steadily worse.<p>The current camping ban idea first came up in 2022: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;apnews.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;health-ted-wheeler-oregon-portland-government-and-politics-144ba78f2c5003aabaaea7be6281f412" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;apnews.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;health-ted-wheeler-oregon-portlan...</a><p>He then proposed 1,000-person indoor mass shelters in 2022. That failed when the state refused to fund it, with everyone from homeless advocates to commissioners who endorsed him having predicted that it would at best fail and at worst exacerbate the problem: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.oregonlive.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;2022&#x2F;02&#x2F;portland-mayor-now-seeks-to-relocate-homeless-campers-to-designated-locations-not-massive-indoor-shelters.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.oregonlive.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;2022&#x2F;02&#x2F;portland-mayor-now-s...</a><p>He experimented with closing a homeless campsite at a public park for plans to build pickleball courts and a skate park: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nypost.com&#x2F;2022&#x2F;11&#x2F;03&#x2F;portland-mayor-ted-wheeler-removes-homeless-camps-begins-construction-on-pickleball-courts&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nypost.com&#x2F;2022&#x2F;11&#x2F;03&#x2F;portland-mayor-ted-wheeler-rem...</a><p>(It didn&#x27;t work; the camps predictably returned within months: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=iVnVnMeKcfQ" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=iVnVnMeKcfQ</a>)<p>He tried to enact his camping ban and build state-funded outdoor concentration camps staffed by the National Guard in 2023. The state and county refused to fund them: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.oregonlive.com&#x2F;politics&#x2F;2023&#x2F;03&#x2F;portlands-mass-tent-camps-ineligible-for-millions-in-state-metro-homelessness-funds-mayor-ted-wheeler-complains.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.oregonlive.com&#x2F;politics&#x2F;2023&#x2F;03&#x2F;portlands-mass-t...</a><p>The current ban proposal was first drafted after that failure. Due to the lack of anyone wanting to be associated with the plan, Wheeler planned to spend $27 million of city&#x27;s own funds on three of his own designated outdoor shelter cities: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.oregonlive.com&#x2F;politics&#x2F;2023&#x2F;02&#x2F;mayor-ted-wheeler-says-he-is-made-for-this-moment-can-he-convince-portland.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.oregonlive.com&#x2F;politics&#x2F;2023&#x2F;02&#x2F;mayor-ted-wheele...</a><p>(While all of that was happening, the city under Wheeler has had near-weekly police-backed camp sweeps, a prototype for the ban where city contractors tear down the camp, confiscate property, and offer shelter options that don&#x27;t have capacity or are often unsuitable for families, the mentally ill, or people with addictions. Some people have been relocated dozens of times: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kgw.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;news&#x2F;local&#x2F;homeless&#x2F;portland-homeless-camp-removals&#x2F;283-05437602-7b67-43a8-b9ec-75d664809f75" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kgw.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;news&#x2F;local&#x2F;homeless&#x2F;portland-hom...</a>)<p>The proposed law issues fines with or without jail time if you refuse to accept a shelter offer. But even now there aren&#x27;t enough shelter beds for the people who are already voluntarily seeking them: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kgw.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;news&#x2F;local&#x2F;homeless&#x2F;portland-multnomah-county-joint-office-homeless-services-audit-shelter&#x2F;283-fa445870-161e-4696-befe-c379ef299f30" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kgw.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;news&#x2F;local&#x2F;homeless&#x2F;portland-mul...</a><p>So homeless people will end up going to jail one way or another. They can&#x27;t afford housing, so they sure as shit can&#x27;t afford lawyers. What does Oregon also have a chronic shortage of? Public defenders, which Oregon doesn&#x27;t employ but contracts out (with caseload maximums): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wweek.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;2024&#x2F;01&#x2F;24&#x2F;record-numbers-of-people-face-criminal-charges-in-multnomah-county-with-no-defense-attorney&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wweek.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;2024&#x2F;01&#x2F;24&#x2F;record-numbers-of-peop...</a><p>And if one can&#x27;t be provided in seven days, a federal court rules that the offender has to be released: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.opb.org&#x2F;article&#x2F;2023&#x2F;11&#x2F;09&#x2F;oregon-public-defender-shortage-supreme-court-law-courts-crime&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.opb.org&#x2F;article&#x2F;2023&#x2F;11&#x2F;09&#x2F;oregon-public-defende...</a><p>A lot of this is also being pushed by one commissioner who&#x27;s aggressively and loudly seeking the mayor&#x27;s office and using this law to get attention: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.opb.org&#x2F;article&#x2F;2024&#x2F;04&#x2F;17&#x2F;camping-ban-portland-rene-gonzalez&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.opb.org&#x2F;article&#x2F;2024&#x2F;04&#x2F;17&#x2F;camping-ban-portland-...</a><p>(He&#x27;s also maybe the least politically savvy guy to run for this office here in a while, which is already a stupendously low bar: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kgw.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;news&#x2F;local&#x2F;rene-gonzalez-trimet-max-video-accosted-threats&#x2F;283-cf262a83-0793-4316-82af-ff369a716014" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kgw.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;news&#x2F;local&#x2F;rene-gonzalez-trimet-...</a>)<p>His first proposal would&#x27;ve given the mayor total control over the ban, which would be himself if he wins the election: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wweek.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;2024&#x2F;04&#x2F;17&#x2F;gonzalez-seeks-to-put-all-rule-making-power-of-camping-ban-under-future-mayor&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wweek.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;2024&#x2F;04&#x2F;17&#x2F;gonzalez-seeks-to-put-...</a><p>(And we know he&#x27;ll fit in great as mayor because his proposal failed two days later: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wweek.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;city&#x2F;2024&#x2F;04&#x2F;19&#x2F;gonzalez-pares-back-camping-ban-proposal&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wweek.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;city&#x2F;2024&#x2F;04&#x2F;19&#x2F;gonzalez-pares-ba...</a>)<p>Anyway, the mayoral and commissioner efforts have been so poorly received for so long, with no improvement in sight, that voters threw the entire city government charter out the window in 2022 in favor of ranked-choice voting and a more traditional city council system: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.portland.gov&#x2F;transition&#x2F;news&#x2F;2022&#x2F;11&#x2F;9&#x2F;portland-voters-approve-charter-reform-city-launches-transition" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.portland.gov&#x2F;transition&#x2F;news&#x2F;2022&#x2F;11&#x2F;9&#x2F;portland-...</a><p>That won&#x27;t solve any problems, but fuck if anyone here seems to know what would.<p>(Did I mention that Oregon is a &quot;kicker&quot; state? As in we get individual tax refunds when the state has a budget surplus? There&#x27;s been one every two years since 2014. The state never has the money to house the homeless, whether in or beyond Portland, except for the _$10 billion_ returned over the last 10 years — $5.6 billion this tax season alone, most of which wasn&#x27;t even claimed as of a month ago — because this incompetent state legislature can&#x27;t budget to save its fucking life.)
评论 #40209828 未加载
washedupabout 1 year ago
I think this gets to a larger national economic issue: things aren’t great for most people, and when things get really bad, you move somewhere nice.<p>The many programs developed to tackle homelessness have been built around specific budgets&#x2F;goals&#x2F;KPIs, and are not able to handle the continuous migration of people with nowhere to go, and inherently political. I’m sure most politicians mean well.<p>Sure, migration trends, especially for CA say otherwise.. but there is a large swath of people that governing bodies are bad at tracking.<p>TLDR: another example of poorly designed government intervention due to misunderstanding of the dynamics behind the process (homelessness)
评论 #40209842 未加载
评论 #40194357 未加载
Tiktaalikabout 1 year ago
Fundamentally the core problem is that no one wants to spend the money to get real traction on these issues, which would require create affordable housing, and even more expensive than that treatment beds for persons enduring drug addiction. The additional problem of course being that there’s a shortage of doctors and nurses to work at hypothetical treatment centers that don’t exist.<p>So because no one wants to spend any money the only option left is harm reduction measures because they’re more affordable.<p>Problem being of course is that harm reduction is no solution in its self, and the point is merely to prevent death while people await the aid of actual solutions.<p>There is now a voter backlash against harm reduction because no one sees anything improving and they’ve been convinced by disingenuous media that it was harm reduction itself that was the problem, not the complete disinterest in building affordable housing and treatment beds.<p>Voters need to wake up and recognize that they need to pay for solutions. I don’t expect this will happen however. Opposition parties will slag the status quo and say they’ll do other things, but then immediately do nothing once in power when they realize the cost. Been seeing it my whole life living here.
评论 #40198846 未加载
评论 #40195044 未加载