New iPad Pro with M4 chip and Apple Pencil Pro

Apple's sections about the environment in their announcements always makes me feel like I'm being gaslit as they mention anything but repair and supporting the consumer's right to reduce and re-use

I genuinely don&#x27;t grok who is buying iPad Pros; outside of maybe artists &amp; graphic designers? Maybe? But even there, wacomb-like tablets on Mac is still super popular, and the iPad Air in a bigger size is going to be crazy popular.<p>A 13&quot; iPad Pro with keyboard is $1650. And you can&#x27;t even get the nanotexture glass below 1TB; so that + keyboard is approaching $2300.<p>Who is buying this?

&gt; With these advanced features, Apple Pencil Pro allows users to bring their ideas to life in entirely new ways, and developers can also create their own custom interactions.<p>Can someone please make it so that if you turn the &quot;Pencil&quot; upside down it acts as an eraser, like a real pencil would?

All these new chips and tbh it doesn&#x27;t really matter if I still can&#x27;t code on it yet.<p>These devices have been absolute workflow game changers for the artists in my life, but for coders, it&#x27;s like a toy and nothing more. They&#x27;re handcuffed from doing any creative work with it.<p>It&#x27;s incredible how powerful these devices are, but so much potential only usable for watching youtube.

Is this tandem OLED display a first? I&#x27;m familiar with stacked LCD displays, they&#x27;ve been around for a while though mainly in reference monitors due to their inefficiency, but this is the first I&#x27;ve heard of anyone stacking two OLEDs on top of each other.

I don&#x27;t understand the fluff about thin devices. I bought an iPad air a few years back and every time I picked it up the screen warped and I could see my fingers pressing through the back. I got a case for it thinking that&#x27;d help but I could still see it happen if I pressed hard enough. Returned immediately for the iPad Pro. I can&#x27;t help but expect this would have similar problems AND it&#x27;s Pro priced.

So they&#x27;ve officially killed off the last iPad with a home button.<p>Elderly folks let out a collective groan since swapping a simple UI for an additional .5&quot; of screen space seems like a poor tradeoff.

I would buy this JUST for the camera being in a place that makes face unlock not fail 99% of the time because I&#x27;m covering the camera with my thumb.

Every time Apple ups their display game, I shout, &quot;Finally, someone else will have to take action &amp; up their game! This will finally spurn everyone else into trying!&quot; So far, not much luck!<p>And once again, Apple critically one-upping their themselves, while it feels like no one&#x27;s started competing with the old product. OLED with 1000 nit full screen sdr output? That&#x27;s 4x what most OLED monitors can do! 1600 nit hdr is great too.<p>These are amazing systems, must be stunning to see. I wish there were general purpose computers like this that could run Linux. I wish others could compete. Apple keeps being the SpaceX to the industry&#x27;s Boeing.

I just bought an almost completely maxed out MacBook Pro and it annoys me that every other Apple product brags about having a cellular modem and no matter how much one is willing to spend, one cannot have a cellular modem in their power user laptop offering.

What&#x27;s creeping me out is that there&#x27;s zero mention of how the nano-texture display affects pencil use.<p>The nano-texture on the standalone display Apple offered a while back was very fragile (if I remember correctly)... I would imagine touching it, let alone dragging a pencil across it, could very quickly leave visible scratches?<p>If not - will this wear through Apple Pencil tips like they&#x27;re made of rubber?

@apple team: whomever approved your hydraulic press imagery forgot that &quot;standing on the shoulders of giants&quot; is an appreciation of, not a license to stomp on. words matter, images matter, it&#x27;s how you tell us who you are.

The gyroscope and haptic feedback in the apple pencil pro seem pretty cool for artists and other creative uses!

I&#x27;m struggling to see why I&#x27;d buy this over a Macbook Air.<p>I have an iPad Air. I use it a lot but generally just to watch Netflix or Youtube. I don&#x27;t enjoy typing on it at all. I have the Air specifically because it&#x27;s TouchID. I hate FaceID with a passion.<p>But this update has pushed up the iPad Pro price well into the Macbook territory and that&#x27;s a much more capable and flexible device.

Am I reading this right that I can&#x27;t use my Apple Pencil 2 on a new iPad Air or Pro? I have to buy the new pencil? What?

I think the iPad hardware has been outstanding for many years. It&#x27;s the software which is is limiting it constantly. They should let us put macOS or Linux on it. Or be able to do full on dev work (I realize some dev work is possible). If I could do my iOS and Android app dev on iPad, it would be instant buy.

Sad to see no iPad mini. That one’s my favourite. Would be cool to have it with pro motion.

Wow, I didn&#x27;t realize Final Cut Pro had all these features! The background clipping is sick. The document scanning is something I use my iphone for a lot and this new business with the flash to stitch sounds great.

Interesting how many different offerings they have now outside of just spending the initial ~$1000 on the ipad itself. Purchasing the pencil, usb-c, key board, smart folio, logic pro (subscription), final cut (subscription), etc...<p>I&#x27;d be curious to know the average age of an ipad in circulation is now. I used an ipad for school from 2012-2017, never used the apple pencil, but it always worked great for my needs. My girlfriend got one for med school and uses it with the pencil especially when shes not at home.

In Canada a fully loaded iPad Pro with nanotexture screen, 2TB, keyboard, pencil pro and apple care + tax is $5035.28<p>Wild to think that they sell 10,000s if not 100,000s of these configurations

It doesn’t move the needle for me to purchase it. My m1 iPad Pro still does everything I want it to and I don’t use it that often, but when I do I love it.

I try really hard to use my iPad but I forget about it most days. Sometimes I’ll watch movies on it in bed and that’s about it. A complete waste of money for me. The only time it truly was helpful was during online interviews when I could draw system design diagrams with the Apple pencil on them during zoom calls instead of using a mouse. Haven’t really used them since.

With every new iPad they release I&#x27;m hopeful they add a support for virtualization. If I could run linux in a docker on an iPad I would switch to it as my main computing instantly, but as of right now I don&#x27;t see a reason to upgrade what&#x27;s basically a glorified ebook reader and Netflix player.

Apple is just being slick. The M4 is a slightly tweaked M3.

&gt;Thinnest Apple Product Ever<p>The engineering efforts invested into thinning down devices could be more wisely spent on making them better. Sounds like an arbitrary top-down marketing requirement limitation. Who cares if their iPad is 1mm thinner?<p>Dave Jones did some quick calculations and if the iPad was 1mm thicker, the battery capacity would be at least 50% more! And if it was 2mm ticker, the camera lenses would be flush with the back instead of sticking out.

Anyone has experience with CAD modeling in Shapr3d with the Pencil? Does it make sense buying this device for this purpose?

Two different M4 chips come with the new iPad Pro depending on the selected storage capacity.<p>&gt; Apple M4 chip Models with 256GB or 512GB storage: 9-core CPU with 3 performance cores and 6 efficiency cores 10-core GPU<p>&gt; Models with 1TB or 2TB storage: 10-core CPU with 4 performance cores and 6 efficiency cores 10-core GPU

Would it be possible to code on this?<p>I’m looking for an alternative to sitting at a desk all day.

(I mistaken posted this on the wrong thread, so re-posting)<p>Nano-Texture<p>I really hope this comes to all Apple products soon (iPhones, all iPads, etc).<p>It&#x27;s some of the best anti-reflective tech I&#x27;ve seen that keeps color and brightness deep &amp; bright.

The fact that they specifically shouted out a portion of the M4 as being dedicated to driving the stacked OLED displays makes me think they&#x27;ll be moving some of their laptops to OLED imminently as well.

The iPad is an excellent form factor for using on aeroplanes. I wish my iPad would let me play Fallout 4. That, with a normal Xbox controller, would be just perfect for passing the time while flying.

Running MacOS on this will be a dream.<p>Very hard to be productive coding on iPadOS. Even if it does become more and more possible with side-by-side windows, native terminals, and more versatile copy&#x2F;paste.

I think I should dig up all the comments about how iPad or iPhone cant be any thinner.<p>Now I wish an iPhone Plus with this sort of thickness. Or basically an iPad Pro mini that is the size of iPhone.

I was a long-time iPad fan for more than a decade, currently using 5 year old iPad Pro 10.5 which works flawlessly but its battery is quite degraded already.<p>With these new iPads introduced I no longer have a viable upgrade path: iPad pro is a no-go for me because of OLED screen (which I strongly oppose, PWM, irregular subpixels, etc.) and newly introduced iPad Air doesn&#x27;t have 120Hz display (or ProMotion in Apple terms). So, there are no new iPads with LCD display and ProMotion.<p>What a sad state both Apple hardware and Apple software are in.

An under-appreciated user base for tablets is musicians. I can&#x27;t speak to other genres but in recent years in the classical music world, a ton of professional and amateur musicians, and private tutors, have made the switch from paper sheet music, towards tablets. Most of the marketing around iPad and other tablets seems to target visual art, video editing, music editing, etc. But where a tablet may be a nice supplement to a desktop&#x2F;laptop for those uses, it is a total game changer for sheet music since it can replace folders upon folders and boxes of sheet music which people have to lug around all over, and no other form factor can replace paper.<p>The iPad Pro, 12.9&quot; has been by far the most popular model which, paired with the ForScore app (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forscore.co&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forscore.co&#x2F;</a>), lets users easily read and annotate sheet music.<p>What&#x27;s interesting about THIS release for the sheet music use case is that, anything less than the 12.9&quot; screen is just simply too small for reading music off of, full stop. 11&quot; will not do. But musicians have been forced to fork over way too much money for the grossly overpowered pro model because it was the only one with the largest screen size. With this release, finally musicians can purchase a more appropriately-powered and appropriately priced 13&quot; iPad Air, with a base model going for $800 rather than the pro model which starts at $1400.<p>However, for what it&#x27;s worth, after doing a lot of research for my purchase I ended up going with the Samsung Galaxy S9 Ultra which actually sports a whopping 14.6&quot; screen, allowing you to view two pages of sheet music in landscape mode. It also comes with the pen included for the price of about $765 USD. Samsung also makes available a cover which has a really cool origami design that allows you to prop up the device in portrait mode, which I haven&#x27;t seen on any other tablet (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.samsung.com&#x2F;ie&#x2F;mobile-accessories&#x2F;galaxy-tab-s9-ultra-smart-book-cover-black-ef-bx910pbegww&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.samsung.com&#x2F;ie&#x2F;mobile-accessories&#x2F;galaxy-tab-s9-...</a>). This is actually perfect for sheet music reading! You can get by playing around the house without even a music stand, since you can just let it stand on its own. I was cautious about going the non-standard route with the Samsung rather than the iPad but I have to say I am quite pleased with the result, having used the tablet for practice every day for about a month. ForScore isn&#x27;t available on Android but I have loved working MobileSheets (with <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.zubersoft.com&#x2F;mobilesheets&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.zubersoft.com&#x2F;mobilesheets&#x2F;</a>) which is actually cross-platform (windows&#x2F;mac&#x2F;android&#x2F;ios).<p>I&#x27;m just a hobbyist myself, but it removes a lot of friction in my daily practice, private lessons, and rehearsals. I&#x27;m currently studying out of 3 different study books, as well as some scale studies, then some random duets, and then some &quot;just for fun&quot; pieces like the Halo game soundtrack. Then my orchestra has pieces. Using the app allows me to instantly navigate between all these much more easily than on paper, and I don&#x27;t have to remember which books&#x2F;pieces to take to lessons&#x2F;orchestra&#x2F;practice, everything&#x27;s there all the time.<p>Plus, the ability to annotate music non-destructively lets me make better progress. I&#x27;m more willing to highlight tricky spots to remember what to focus on. Or, if I&#x27;m working through an etude book, I can annotate&#x2F;re-annotate what tempo I practiced it at, so I can make sure I&#x27;m slowly making progress increasing speed.<p>Sorry for the long rant, all this is just to say that tablets for musicians are super awesome! There are also other benefits, like for instance with a tablet, you can get a bluetooth foot pedal which allows you to use your foot to turn pages which can be a challenge during performances (piano performances often even have a human page turner sitting beside the performer). Some people even use facial gestures like winking to trigger page turns.<p>This person has also done a lot of research on different tablets and produced a great report <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tablets-for-musicians.net&#x2F;best-tablets&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tablets-for-musicians.net&#x2F;best-tablets&#x2F;</a>

And now the pencil gets a “you’re poor if you own the old one” branding.

What do people even use iPads for?

The ipad pro is an absolutely stunning and amazing piece of hardware. The sad part is, to get the most out of it; say as a power user, you&#x27;ll likely be spending a combined ~$300 a month subscription for any of its &#x27;killer apps&#x27; on the app store. The subscription model for me personally has been such a turn off for these locked down apple products.

Here&#x27;s the new iDevice. Same as the old iDevice, just with a ton of marketing and a 5% performance improvement. And you can do nothing with the added performance because it still runs a fully locked down OS. Yawn.

The entry price for a virtualization-optimized iPad Pro (née Ultra?) is $1600 USD for 4 performance cores, 16GB RAM and 1TB storage. Keyboard, pencil, LTE will push the cost over $2K.<p>Is that sufficient tribute for Apple to unlock M4 and iOS 18 support for nested virtualization of macOS and Linux? Until then, iSH Linux emulation on iPad Pro offers a functional CLI, patience exercises and redlined CPU cores for hand warming.

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