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Rbutr: a browser extension that finds rebuttals to web pages you're reading

68 pointsby MichaelJWalmost 13 years ago

17 comments

tomstuartalmost 13 years ago
This reminds me of Intel Research Berkeley's (now-defunct?) Confrontational Computing project, which produced a Firefox extension called Dispute Finder: <a href="http://ennals.org/rob/disputefinder.html" rel="nofollow">http://ennals.org/rob/disputefinder.html</a>, <a href="http://confront.intel-research.net/Dispute_Finder.html" rel="nofollow">http://confront.intel-research.net/Dispute_Finder.html</a>
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Goladusalmost 13 years ago
In my experience:<p>&#62; Foster good principles of logical debate within the community<p>This is the most agonizingly difficult problem to deal with.<p>Getting people to actually judge arguments on their logical and factual merit is ridiculously difficult. Many do not even seem aware such criteria exists, much less have capability to recognize or respect those traits in opposing arguments. The moment you start touching on politically or emotionally-charged issues like religion and discrimination, fair judgment of opposing logic and facts becomes scarce.
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twelvechairsalmost 13 years ago
Great idea - I've always wanted to see something like this.<p>But... compulsory registration? This just dissuades most of your potential users from even giving it a try....
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Zakharovalmost 13 years ago
Having gone through the tutorial, I had a couple issues. I couldn't mark a page to be rebutted, switch tab to the rebuttal, then mark that page as the rebuttal except by manually copy-pasting the url. When adding tags, I could only add tags from the list and couldn't remove a tag I accidentally added. Shouldn't the tag text box be editable?
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Zakharovalmost 13 years ago
This sounds really cool. Very minor quibble: in rebutr's Philosophy, section 3, "backs it's claims up" should be "backs its claims up".
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mazsaalmost 13 years ago
This extension can access:<p>* Your data on all websites<p>This item can read every page that you visit -- your bank, your web email, your Facebook page, and so on. Often, this kind of item needs to see all pages so that it can perform a limited task such as looking for RSS feeds that you might want to subscribe to.<p>Caution: Besides seeing all your pages, this item could use your credentials (cookies) to request or modify your data from websites.<p>* Your tabs and browsing activity
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taybenloralmost 13 years ago
This is fantastic. I've always wanted to be able to see this, but the only way so far has been either if they allow comments, or if I see a discussion in the place I used to follow the link (eg. Twitter, HN, Reddit).<p>Is it all manual or is there some automated component?
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username3almost 13 years ago
Websites/domains should be allowed to rebut rbutr rebuttals and be highlighted/referenced like Talk.Origins and True.Origins do for each other.[1]<p>What are they going to do with all these rebuttals? This is like level two. We need to go up some more levels.[2]<p>[1]: <a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/moonrec.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/moonrec.html</a><p>[2]: <a href="http://worrydream.com/LadderOfAbstraction/" rel="nofollow">http://worrydream.com/LadderOfAbstraction/</a>
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joshuahedlundalmost 13 years ago
There is definitely room for some cool innovation in the online flame war space. I've thought it would be cool to have some kind of dedicated place for summarizing well-worn debate topics so that whenever comments on a site dissolve into assertions about the same old things you can point them towards an existing summary instead of again rehashing the same old facts and contexts. I haven't taken the time to flesh the idea out to see if it could really work, though.
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chris_palmost 13 years ago
It seems that users have to submit rebuttals to articles they read, I thought that was done by the system using NLP techniques, specifically Sentiment Analysis. Now that would be really cool.
albb0920almost 13 years ago
This makes me think of sidewiki. Will many people really go find rebuttals and contribute back to the original page? It seems a little bit too much of work.
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koidealmost 13 years ago
Related, but not implemented yet: <a href="http://hypothes.is" rel="nofollow">http://hypothes.is</a>
woodallalmost 13 years ago
From the looks of it, the hivemind has already taken over.
volandovengoalmost 13 years ago
Nice work Shane. How do you find the rebuttals?
lectrickalmost 13 years ago
I would love this but 90% of the people I meet and know are not actually interested in <i>actual discussion</i> of the ideas they believe in and consume.
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brudgersalmost 13 years ago
&#60;snark&#62; A browser that flames debate on the internet? Yeah, that's helpful. &#60;/snark&#62;
ktizoalmost 13 years ago
<i>rbutr is the best tool for keeping yourself genuinely informed online.</i><p>I'm not so sure about that, I wonder if there are any articles that disagree..
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