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Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

334 pointsby mettersabout 1 year ago

32 comments

earthnailabout 1 year ago
I love this. I read so much criticism here, but noise pollution is a main issue when it comes to railroads in residential zones.<p>Yes, punctuality is an issue with Deutsche Bahn. No, this doesn’t fix that instantly. But as an organisation you can work on two things at the same time.<p>This invention is spectacular. I wish more people would work on noise pollution. It makes a huge difference.
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lqetabout 1 year ago
&gt; a transparent noise barrier<p>Most rail noise barriers in Germany are completely covered in graffiti [0], so I wouldn&#x27;t expect them to remain transparent for more than a few weeks.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ga.de&#x2F;imgs&#x2F;93&#x2F;8&#x2F;5&#x2F;9&#x2F;3&#x2F;0&#x2F;9&#x2F;1&#x2F;9&#x2F;tok_8596521c60eeaa53eea42eea57c8b7dc&#x2F;w1200_h630_x662_y525_GA_85197421_2005565667_RGB_190_1_1_2d14a73e871971ed95a819ea6b69b342_1593349745_2005565667_77b22cacaf-f8bed87dc312e74a.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ga.de&#x2F;imgs&#x2F;93&#x2F;8&#x2F;5&#x2F;9&#x2F;3&#x2F;0&#x2F;9&#x2F;1&#x2F;9&#x2F;tok_8596521c60eeaa53ee...</a>
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mikeiz404about 1 year ago
This article goes into a little more detail: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.heise.de&#x2F;en&#x2F;news&#x2F;MetaWindow-Laermschutz-an-Gleisen-wird-durchsichtig-9719706.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.heise.de&#x2F;en&#x2F;news&#x2F;MetaWindow-Laermschutz-an-Gleis...</a><p>And the PhotonicVibes site is here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;phononic-vibes.com&#x2F;metawindow-for-railway&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;phononic-vibes.com&#x2F;metawindow-for-railway&#x2F;</a><p>Here is a demo video for a meta material made by them: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;NElK8qKRrBU?si=CfBjUESlu_XUvnn_" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;NElK8qKRrBU?si=CfBjUESlu_XUvnn_</a>
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mbforbesabout 1 year ago
A semi-related surprising fact I only learned recently is that the ultra-long nose of Japanese bullet trains is not for aerodynamics, but to reduce noise. Specifically, &quot;tunnel boom.&quot;<p>Random source: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.jrpass.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;why-shinkansen-bullet-trains-no-longer-look-like-a-bullet" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.jrpass.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;why-shinkansen-bullet-trains-no-...</a>
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esafakabout 1 year ago
The quality of my life would be better improved through public transportation and these sound absorbers than almost any app I use. Hooray for basic infrastructure.
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smokelabout 1 year ago
My hart jumped when I initially thought that they had implemented an idea that I had once.<p>Turns out MetaWindow is <i>not</i> an augmented reality display in the train&#x27;s window, where one can read information on the scenery that one passes through while traveling. What is that city in the distance? When was that church built? How many cows are in that meadow? Stuff one has to know.
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croemerabout 1 year ago
Terrible press release. The first picture shows an _intransparent_ barrier. Is that a before after picture? And what is &quot;meta technology&quot;?
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eruabout 1 year ago
They specifically mention railway noise. I wonder whether there&#x27;s something special about railways, or whether it would work for other noise as well? Especially roads with cars on them?
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ghostly_sabout 1 year ago
Okay it&#x27;s clear-ish...but where&#x27;s the noise level sample vs. the alternatives?<p>edit: I did find this cool demo of a similar product of theirs, but seems to be nothing more online about the noise barrier.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=DUee93HcPVQ" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=DUee93HcPVQ</a>
mindwokabout 1 year ago
Lots of negative comments on this. I, for one, am glad to see work that supports better transport infrastructure while not being insanely ugly like a lot of transport infrastructure is (like the giant concrete birds nests of highways in US cities). I want to live in cities that are visually appealing.
ggmabout 1 year ago
I can&#x27;t find it any more but I read a paper decades ago on the sound modulation effects of different plants, at scale and how designed planting around motorways can help reduce local resident impact.
vezuchyyabout 1 year ago
Cool, one day CP will install those along their tracks and my high-rise will shake silently every time <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;EMD_F59PH#F59PHI" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;EMD_F59PH#F59PHI</a> departs from the station.
felsokningabout 1 year ago
They don&#x27;t give any numbers on the amount of resistances to the expansion of the infrastructure, based on noise alone.<p>This reads like a &quot;we did a cool thing&quot; but without qualitatively demonstrating the merits for the need.
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surfingdinoabout 1 year ago
Or you could follow the way of thinking practiced by planners in London:<p>Analyst: &quot;We could really use a bridge here...&quot; Decision Maker: &quot;I hear you, let&#x27;s dig a tunnel!&quot;
Bluesteinabout 1 year ago
The startup behind the tech: - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;phononic-vibes.com&#x2F;about-us&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;phononic-vibes.com&#x2F;about-us&#x2F;</a>
jasonvorheabout 1 year ago
Ask the typical DB customer if they want their trains to be on time or more silent and I promise you, the answer will not be surprising.
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lionkorabout 1 year ago
Now the trains have to actually arrive and depart within, say, 5 minutes of the planned time, and we will be in the 21st century finally.
donwabout 1 year ago
I cannot be the only person that read this as “MetalWindow”, a.k.a. “walls”.
throwaway4goodabout 1 year ago
This is an international site and I think people don’t understand just how big Deutsche Bahn’s problems with delays are and how incredible dissatisfied its customers are. The situation with DB is really unique compared to its neighbors in any direction.<p>While the tech described probably has merits, anyone who has been near DB lately would instinctively go: why are you doing this when you cannot get the basics right?
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rangestransformabout 1 year ago
germany gets this while NYC still has to grit our teeth and plug our ears for the rickety 100+ year old metal elevated structures with lead paint
nojaabout 1 year ago
_This new system integrates meta technology_<p>What is meta technology?
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bradley13about 1 year ago
How about replacing antiques with modern trains? Repairing tracks? Electrifying all tracks? Those steps would not only reduce noise, but actually make their service usable.
garfieldnateabout 1 year ago
&gt;Its design minimizes visual disruptions,<p>It&#x27;s kind of laughable to see this giant, pristine pane of glass in the middle of a city on a train track. The photographer must have come the first day, because by the next this will be covered in graffiti. Which, presumably, won&#x27;t at all affect its function as a sound barrier, but it think graffiti on a solid background is less grating than graffiti on a clear background will be.
insane_dreamerabout 1 year ago
We need this for cars
Lorinabout 1 year ago
Ok, now they have an excuse to employ a crew to keep them clean like any other window-like product... instead of it just being a wall? I don&#x27;t get it.
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danielfosterabout 1 year ago
Now they just need to be on time.
codemusingsabout 1 year ago
Now could Deutsche Bahn please also invest in some actual infrastructure, trains and make them go on time?<p>That‘d be great! Thanks.
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harhaabout 1 year ago
I mean it&#x27;s cool, but how about getting some basics like punctuality and cleanliness right first.
FearOfTheDuckabout 1 year ago
A train does not make noise if it&#x27;s cancelled
tichiianabout 1 year ago
I think the reason DB introduces this kind of measures over the obviously superior first steps like &quot;building a quieter train&quot; is this: Walls are paid for by the state or community annoyed by the train noise. New or improved trains would be paid for by DB (a nominally private company).<p>Which is why stuff like &quot;putting quieter brakes on freight trains that don&#x27;t sound like fingernails on a chalk board&quot; will take at least 20 more years if it will happen at all.
ivan_gammelabout 1 year ago
A startup with wrong product focus would be insolvent in a few months. Deutsche Bahn can rot for decades spending money on technology that would not make any difference when a quarter of its trains is delayed or cancelled.
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thih9about 1 year ago
&gt; MetaWindow, a transparent noise barrier boasting unparalleled sound-absorbing capabilities<p>This is about a physical product. Not a software window; and unrelated to Meta, of Facebook and Instagram fame.
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