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Sales happen when buyers fear missing out

251 pointsby etrvic11 months ago

26 comments

dahart11 months ago
&gt; Sales don’t happen when benefits exceed price. I did not know this.<p>Obviously the title and opening sentence aren’t meant to be taken literally or absolutely despite being phrased that way, since the author had sales before discovering FOMO as a strategy, and also since these statements aren’t true for all products. I can buy that FOMO helps sell a newsletter subscription where it’s hard to communicate value in the first place, and people are used to newsletters being free. FOMO isn’t what drives McDonald’s or gasoline or breakfast cereal though. Most things I purchase aren’t based on FOMO, but maybe a few optional things are here and there.<p>I found the “ads eww” comment to be funny when what the author has discovered is an advertising technique, and one of the very techniques that earns and engenders the ‘eww’. Manipulating people works, but people don’t like knowing they’re being manipulated, especially if claims about missing out or about scarcity are inauthentic.
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pron11 months ago
Collectibles are entirely based on that. In fact, I&#x27;d say they&#x27;re <i>defined</i> by it -- if there&#x27;s little chance of missing out on something, then that thing isn&#x27;t a collectible. How big of a role this plays (and sustainably so) in other kinds of goods is less clear, although discount sales are exactly about creating this kind of fear -- or, conversely, rare opportunity -- and they do work. Regularly scheduled sales, on the other hand, work more by creating a price differentiation, where people to whom a product is worth less than the regular retail price can choose to wait.
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punnerud11 months ago
Most sales, especially within IT, is about trust.<p>Scaring a customer into buying with “fear of missing out” and you risk push them even longer away.
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EGreg11 months ago
I can tell you that most of the time, buyers don’t fear missing out. Most buyers have a lot of options, and also busy lives.<p>Here are things that can <i>actually</i> make buyers buy:<p><pre><code> 1. Social Proof &#x2F; Testimonials 2. Friends &#x2F; Peer Pressure 3. Free Trial + Structure, eg courses 4. Access to social capital (eg celebs) 5. Matchmaking to what they need (eg dating) 6. Time and Data Entry Investment (quizzes, meetings) 7. Relationships and access to Community </code></pre> Now, there <i>are</i> a form of micro-FOMO called Impulse Buy and Group Deals. But they are organically motivated by 1 (<i>social proof</i> of timely notifications) 2 (group deal coming together because of <i>friends</i> acting) and 6 (having invested time in the search, now they will either shit or get off the pot, cause their friends are <i>going</i> to that thing).<p>I’ve spent 12 years building community software that automates all this, and now started adding AI to it.<p>People underestimate the role of GROUP PSYCHOLOGY in affecting what people do. That is why I have nearly gone broke (having never taken VC) building open source community software that is far more healthy and responsible. Here is the societal issues it solves:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.laweekly.com&#x2F;restoring-healthy-communities&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.laweekly.com&#x2F;restoring-healthy-communities&#x2F;</a>
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fsckboy11 months ago
ahh, from scanning down the comments, HN&#x27;s Tenth Rule of Gold Spun into Green:<p><i>Any sufficiently complicated HN business analysis contains an ad hoc, informally-specified, bug-ridden, slow implementation of half of the first year of an MBA</i><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Greenspun%27s_tenth_rule" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Greenspun%27s_tenth_rule</a>
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solatic11 months ago
FOMO is a great strategy when you are trying to sell to customers who will buy your product exactly once and then move on. Examples: collector&#x27;s editions of video games, sales ahead of gift-giving holidays, tourist traps in &quot;I am here for the one and only time I will ever be here in my life&quot; destinations, enterprise sales to Fortune 500 companies where the buyer will get promoted by the next sales cycle. You emotionally manipulate the buyer to make the sale, the buyer regrets buying it within a day or two, and it doesn&#x27;t matter because they will never talk to you again anyway.<p>FOMO is a horrible strategy when you expect to develop a long-term relationship with your customers. Self-respecting people won&#x27;t stand for it. They will either switch to a competitor out of spite, or blow aside your transparent sales tactic and keep pressuring you downward on price during negotiations.
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BLanen11 months ago
This is a bad article only meant to market the book. Almost 0 information in this, actually impressive.
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gist11 months ago
My advice (as an older person) is to &#x27;stop reading and start doing&#x27;. You will and can learn and get a feel for business by actual transactions with people and in particular directly with them. Where you can observe reactions (ie facial expressions) and by asking questions or offering information&#x2F;answers. Especially helpful (again from personal and lucrative experience) is when you can observe reactions from some kind of interaction. (In this order: in person, by phone, by email, by text). Each has it&#x27;s advantages and disadvantages (ie &#x27;in person&#x27; less interaction (travel time etc.) but more info gleaned.<p>This is quite different than traditional &#x27;manage by numbers&#x27; or &#x27;do surveys&#x27;.
ultrasaurus11 months ago
You need 3 things to make a sale:<p>1. Why anything? 2. Why this? 3. Why now?<p>Sure FOMO is one of your tools, but I suspect it&#x27;s overused. Consider the classic &quot;This price won&#x27;t be around for long!&quot; move alone.
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bilsbie11 months ago
I instantly lose trust for the sales person if they bring up any kind of time pressure.
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forgotacc24041911 months ago
Yep, I&#x27;ve cumulatively spent thousands on weird gadgets that have minimal use the second they appeared on eBay slightly cheap, I still haven&#x27;t gotten around to upgrading from my 2015 MacBook though...
snowfield11 months ago
People pay for newsletters?
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grimblee11 months ago
There is always nuance but I firmly believe FOMO is only needed to sell things people don&#x27;t need and so is a very consumeristic sale tactic (that should probably disappear for our collective well-being).
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pphysch11 months ago
There&#x27;s a lot of truth to this. Within social media e-commerce there is the idea of &quot;merch drops&quot; which dial up the FOMO to the max.
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m3kw911 months ago
So a trick that works, but your product still have to provide some value, try a newsletter that doesn’t have any content and try a Fomo tactic
HarHarVeryFunny11 months ago
I&#x27;m seeing house prices around me skyrocket in last couple on months - houses selling almost immediately at well above asking price (e.g. 200K above in multiple cases), and this despite already high prices and horrible affordability.<p>I can only attribute this to FOMO.
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etrvic11 months ago
I don’t really understand how the HN rating system works. I submitted this article 1 day ago, and it got completely ignored. Now I open the front page and see it there. If anyone can tell me how did this happened, I would really much appreciate it.
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JohnFen11 months ago
It&#x27;s no secret that fear can be used to coerce people into buying stuff, but that&#x27;s hardly the only effective selling technique. There are others which aren&#x27;t as objectionable.
kinj2811 months ago
Fomo is also a great way to make some one act or move the case forward.<p>In context to enterprise sales: most large enterprise deals need multiple stakeholders to sign off. Fomo helps your champion create the urgency needed to conclude the sale.
agumonkey11 months ago
How much of behavioral economics is about pulling emotional levers anyway ?
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Quinzel11 months ago
This is just the scarcity principle and nothing new.
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SMAAART11 months ago
I did my MBA dissertation on value vs price, and nowhere in my 79 pages I mentioned FOMO.<p>But that was a very long time ago, I think OP has a point.
Zenzero11 months ago
This may work B2C. For B2B you&#x27;re going to lose respect by playing this game.
verve2311 months ago
Nice to see Cartman get some credit here. (ref: cartmanland 2001)
tsunamifury11 months ago
Most sales are completely for no necessary utility now — often not even convenience even.<p>You need to create psychological need to get the buyer into an unnecessary product or service because frankly they are already over served.<p>This is mostly a sign of our economy being built on post-need. It’s sad because somehow we still heap suffering on ourselves as we run ragged to come up with faster ways to inject digital heroine into our kids veins.
arnorhs11 months ago
This sales strategy has been the basis of a lot of successful companies. Groupon comes to mind
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