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European Alternatives

196 pointsby lijunhao11 months ago

13 comments

lijunhao11 months ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;european-alternatives.eu&#x2F;about" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;european-alternatives.eu&#x2F;about</a><p>---<p>Conditions for a listing<p>All the products and services listed on European Alternatives meet the following criteria:<p>The company is based in an EU, EEA, EFTA, or DCFTA member country.<p>If the company has a parent or holding company, this company is also based in an EU, EEA, EFTA, or DCFTA member state.<p>For hosting providers: It is not allowed that a hosting provider is simply a sub-hosting provider of a company that is not based in an EU or EFTA member country. Example: Hosting provider that just configures servers on AWS.
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KronisLV11 months ago
I wonder if Rackray <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.rackray.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.rackray.com&#x2F;</a> or Time4VPS <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.time4vps.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.time4vps.com&#x2F;</a> would qualify under the VPS provider category (they&#x27;re in Lithuania).<p>I&#x27;ve been using Time4VPS for a few years at this point, they&#x27;ve always been pretty decent. That said, they have been gradually rising prices and I think that something like Hetzner is more affordable at this point. Well, either that or Contabo for the cases where I just need a box that has enough RAM and don&#x27;t do anything super CPU intensive. Scaleway also used to be competitive with them price-wise, but I don&#x27;t think that&#x27;s been the case for a while, it&#x27;d have to be more of a feature based comparison.<p>I think there&#x27;s a bunch of smaller companies in the Baltics as well, but maybe that&#x27;d make the list quite long and many of them seem to focus on local services mostly (nano.lv for hosting comes to mind).<p>Either way, really cool site, I&#x27;m glad that this exists!
OldOneEye11 months ago
I can only speak positively of Hetzner. I particularly like that they have a Terraform provider.<p>I&#x27;ve only used them for personal projects, though, so I can&#x27;t say anything to the suitability in a corporate environment. In particular their support. That&#x27;s quite an important factor when working in a corporate setting.<p>I wish they already had that S3-like service they&#x27;ve announced for some time. It would be really handy.
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nalekberov11 months ago
my two cents:<p>Avoid using Tuta, I am talking as a person with more than 4 years experience using their product. Its search extremely bad, UI is so simple and everything is unnecessarily big, not event possibility to add any label.<p>They barely improved their product within my &gt;4 years of usage. I have already migrated most stuff to another mail provider.
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lijunhao11 months ago
A list of search engines I haven&#x27;t known before:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;european-alternatives.eu&#x2F;category&#x2F;search-engines" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;european-alternatives.eu&#x2F;category&#x2F;search-engines</a>
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kkfx11 months ago
I have an European alternative, my own iron in my own home, it&#x27;s European since I&#x27;m an EU citizen living in the EU...<p>The alternative to the modern computing is the classic iron ownership instead of living on the shoulder of giants, otherwise there is no difference between a US company and an EU one selling the same services. They are both third party whose job is making money for their shareholders.<p>&quot;But.... HW cost money!&quot;, yes, because someone else computers are notoriously free... <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tech.ahrefs.com&#x2F;how-ahrefs-gets-a-billion-dollar-worth-infrastructure-with-a-90-discount-5edd473b2399" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tech.ahrefs.com&#x2F;how-ahrefs-gets-a-billion-dollar-wor...</a> and of course owned hw is not a asset with an eventual resale value and a vast series of possibilities if a startup idea fail...<p>Oh, yes, bandwidth might be tricky but co-location until a company is large enough to pay a personal proper link it&#x27;s still an option, on their own hw.<p>Dear devs startuppers where the recliner is the most valuable owned asset you have, it&#x27;s about time to recalculate your economy.......
nunodonato11 months ago
Funny, couldnt find Hetzner in there
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karmakaze11 months ago
These all appear to be hosting-type services. Is there a similar list that&#x27;s more consumer-oriented? Or are there zero alternative social network platforms?
rand123911 months ago
In GitHub alternatives it shows <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gitlabhost.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gitlabhost.com&#x2F;</a>. Does anyone knows how copyright works when a different company uses GitLab name and offers competitive hosting to GitLab itself?
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OptionOfT11 months ago
The second point, VAT refund, is moot.<p>In Europe you pay VAT, and as a company, you get to as a refund on the VAT.<p>But if, as a European company, you buy a service in the USA, you don&#x27;t pay VAT. So no refunds to ask.
workfromspace11 months ago
I could tell how this website was created in Germany or by Germans, just by looking at the links of each service and see &quot;Xing&quot; there.
lnxg33k111 months ago
Avoid to sympathize for companies based on non-competitive parameters, they aren&#x27;t your friends or do anything for you regardless of where they are, don&#x27;t choose them for reasons like &quot;Oh they pay taxes where you are so it will come back&quot;, chances are, they&#x27;re not even paying taxes
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matt-p11 months ago
It seems incredibly petty to me to exclude UK companies from this list. We left, yeah ok. But this says European alternatives and we&#x27;re in Europe as far as I&#x27;m aware.GDPR is enshrined in law and we&#x27;ve a EU-UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement.<p>You&#x27;re missing out on a massive plethora of services, London&#x27;s tech industry is one of if not the strongest in Europe.
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