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Building SimCity: How to put the world in a machine

440 pointsby jarmitage11 months ago

19 comments

chaimgingold11 months ago
Hi! I wrote this book. Ask me anything. I also was a designer on Spore. I'm also trying to feed my 8 month old lunch and he is very excited to asn``wer anything too.
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sillysaurusx11 months ago
There’s something of a contradiction here, and maybe it’s worth exploring. Or maybe not; I leave the decision to you.<p>Sim City isn’t a simulation. It’s a game. The reason it was commercially successful is because it was fun.<p>This is explicitly a different goal from creating a simulator. A simulator <i>can</i> be fun to certain groups of people, but it’s not <i>designed</i> to be fun to large groups of people. Games are.<p>So here’s the rub. When people draw a correlation between sim city and reality, are they saying that the way to make a simulation of reality is to make a fun game? Because sim city was designed to be a fun game first and foremost, not a simulator.<p>Can’t it be both? Well, sure. Lots of things are. But when you’re saying that you’re putting the world in a machine, it becomes a different discussion. Is the best way to put the world in a machine to make it fun? That doesn’t seem too plausible, even if the result is fun for some people. So both the title and the descriptions of world building (as in, the world we live in, not a fantasy world) seem off the mark.<p>I genuinely don’t know if it’s worth pointing this out. But then I read the description, and again, they’re saying very clearly that this book is comparing simulation of reality to a commercially successful game that was designed with a different goal in mind. Is this just coincidence?
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YesBox11 months ago
This book is on my reading list! Guess it&#x27;s worth mentioning I am working on a game to rival SimCity (and Cities Skylines), though aesthetically it looks like a game straight out of the 90s.<p>If Chris Sawyer made a city builder that dived deep into simulation.. that&#x27;s what I&#x27;m aiming for.<p>Still in early development: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;store.steampowered.com&#x2F;app&#x2F;2287430&#x2F;Metropolis_1998&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;store.steampowered.com&#x2F;app&#x2F;2287430&#x2F;Metropolis_1998&#x2F;</a>
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noahlt11 months ago
[Copy-pasting my review from Amazon]<p>Did you know that Maxis (creators of SimCity) sold investors on a vision a world where &quot;simulation&quot; was a common use-case for computers, and Maxis was the company at the center of simulation software?<p>This was the first of many fascinating revelations this book brought me. Reading it, I found myself getting caught up in their grand vision.<p>The first part of _Building SimCity_ is a deep dive into the game&#x27;s historical antecedents: from tabletop city simulations and Vannevar Bush&#x27;s analogue computers, to systems thinking and cellular automata. This part explores many ideas that I have briefly encountered before and wondered &quot;why hasn&#x27;t anyone taken these wonderful ideas and produced something great with them?&quot; The book answers: &quot;Will Wright did, you just didn&#x27;t notice.&quot; More specifically, _Building SimCity_ argues that SimCity the game is a synthesis and application of many great ideas, which are mostly hidden to the player. This book gives us a look behind the curtain.<p>The second part of the book spends chapters on the design of SimCity, the history of Maxis, and the experience of playing SimCity. The implementation chapter has no code listings — as a programmer, reading it feels like reading an exceptionally clear design document, explaining the real-time (UI) clock and the simulation clock, the 16-bit representation of map tile state, the main simulation loop, and the map scan algorithm for information propogation across tiles. This chapter is accompanied by exceptionally well-designed diagrams, which I find quite valuable on their own.<p>To set expectations: this is an academic work. It contains war stories and technical details, but it also goes to great lengths to situate SimCity in its historical context, connecting it to previous ideas, and providing full citations. But though the prose has an academic bent, I find it very engaging and readable.<p>The only negative thing I can say about this book is that the printed edition has a chemical smell, which I assume is due to the full-color printing and will presumeably fade with time.<p>[Disclaimer: I haven&#x27;t finished this book yet, I&#x27;ve read the first few chapters about the history of simulation and also skipped ahead to the chapter about SimCity&#x27;s implementation details. I&#x27;m posting this here because it&#x27;s what I&#x27;ve written out in emails to friends about the book; I&#x27;ll update my review when I finish reading it.]
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szvsw11 months ago
People interesting in this might be interested in Silicon Second Nature by Stefan Helmreich, a pretty brilliant MIT anthropologist&#x2F;historian of science. It’s all about the Santa Fe Institute and the science of emergence, from both a technical and social level. One of the best books I’ve ever read I think!<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ucpress.edu&#x2F;book&#x2F;9780520208001&#x2F;silicon-second-nature" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ucpress.edu&#x2F;book&#x2F;9780520208001&#x2F;silicon-second-na...</a>
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sztanko11 months ago
In my childhood, me and my brother had access to computers (and simcity) only once a month. Because we still wanted to play, we actually made paper version of it, drawing maps ourselves and doing all the financial calculations on a separate sheet. I wanted to write my own simcity. Later on, I spent considerable amount of time designing the code, again on paper as I still didn&#x27;t have access to computers. I think that had the most significant impact on my skills, and, eventually, my career. Thanks for that
benbreen11 months ago
Reading this now and really enjoying it. Here&#x27;s a brief review from Stewart Brand: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;stewartbrand&#x2F;status&#x2F;1800941614287946003" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;stewartbrand&#x2F;status&#x2F;1800941614287946003</a>
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kaveh_h11 months ago
Do you think people can learn something from simulation games that’s inherently hard to learn from mere language or mathematics?<p>Is it possible to create good simulation games of substantial global events and the subsequent possible outcomes. Some examples would be a pandemic like Covid and how it shaped societies differently based on preconditions and policies OR a discovery of nuclear fission that sparked building nuclear weapon (I.e the manhattan project) and fueled the cold war OR the realization and threat of man made global warming and the global reaction and policy making and many possible outcomes.<p>And if not why are they not feasible for games. Is there something that makes these types of events and their outcome hard to simulate?
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42lux11 months ago
Whenever Maxis comes up I always imagine some government simulations running on refined models but still using the SimCity 2000 interface.
SillyUsername11 months ago
Price seems a bit steep. Needs to lower taxes for me to buy it.
faizshah11 months ago
Can anyone recommend any other books like this where it is both a history&#x2F;ethnography and covers the actual technical details&#x2F;code?
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atan211 months ago
I tried to look it up but I am still not sure if this book discusses SimCity&#x27;s <i>programming</i> or not.
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Keyframe11 months ago
First world problem, I know, but when did we stop getting an ebook along side a purchase of a paper copy?
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trilinearnz11 months ago
Is this about the original Sim City, Sim City 2000, or does it cover all of them in a general way?
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curiousgal11 months ago
What&#x27;s the point of posting a book listing? A review or an analysis would have been more interesting.
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wigster11 months ago
just want to say thanks for spore - my son&#x27;s favourite for a long time.
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thenthenthen11 months ago
This should have been a game
otteromkram11 months ago
Is this an advertisement?
juice_bus11 months ago
The ebook is $4.99 more expensive than the physical copy - wild.
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