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Rails and Merb Merge

155 pointsby jarnoldover 16 years ago

23 comments

Lockeover 16 years ago
Wow, I almost wish it were April Fools Day...<p>For someone who loves Merb and had decided to leave Rails behind (as much as possible), I have very mixed feelings about this. If this means Rails will start to feel more like Merb, fantastic! Otherwise?<p>I have a feeling it'll be a long while before I <i>really</i> know how to feel about this...<p>It'll be interesting to see how well this merger actually works in practice. It seems like when large companies merge the results are often underwhelming. Can a merger of large open source projects work? Will the different cultures clash?
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jarnoldover 16 years ago
More links:<p><a href="http://weblog.rubyonrails.org/2008/12/23/merb-gets-merged-into-rails-3" rel="nofollow">http://weblog.rubyonrails.org/2008/12/23/merb-gets-merged-in...</a><p><a href="http://yehudakatz.com/2008/12/23/rails-and-merb-merge/" rel="nofollow">http://yehudakatz.com/2008/12/23/rails-and-merb-merge/</a><p><a href="http://rubyonrails.org/merb" rel="nofollow">http://rubyonrails.org/merb</a><p><a href="http://merbist.com/2008/12/23/rails-and-merb-merge/" rel="nofollow">http://merbist.com/2008/12/23/rails-and-merb-merge/</a><p><a href="http://brainspl.at/articles/2008/12/23/merb-is-rails" rel="nofollow">http://brainspl.at/articles/2008/12/23/merb-is-rails</a><p><a href="http://loriholden.com/archives/2008/12/23/16-merb-is-rails-30" rel="nofollow">http://loriholden.com/archives/2008/12/23/16-merb-is-rails-3...</a><p><a href="http://mornini.wordpress.com/2008/12/23/rails-2x-merb-1x-rails-30/" rel="nofollow">http://mornini.wordpress.com/2008/12/23/rails-2x-merb-1x-rai...</a><p><a href="http://splendificent.com/2008/12/the-merb-rails-merger-announcement-an-inside-opinion/" rel="nofollow">http://splendificent.com/2008/12/the-merb-rails-merger-annou...</a>
jon_dahlover 16 years ago
Wow, big news.<p>I'm mixed on this. One of the strengths of Rails was that it was <i>the</i> dominant Ruby web programming framework. This meant that virtually the entire community was behind Rails when it came to web app development - unlike some other languages, which have several frameworks competing for the crown. But Merb has recently started to give Rails a run for its money. Fortunately, the learning curve between Merb and Rails is relatively small.<p>So on the one hand, it's great that the Ruby community won't splinter between two competing frameworks.<p>But on the other hand, Merb was really creative and innovative, and I'd hate to see that innovation slow down as it becomes the Establishment.
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mdemareover 16 years ago
Impressive! How often do you hear about two open-source projects merging? Forking is much more common. I can't even recollect other instances of merging.<p>Best of luck to the two teams with making it work!
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undertoadover 16 years ago
Rails: Merb, _I_ am your father.<p>Merb: Nooooooooooo!
KevBurnsJrover 16 years ago
Sounds like they smelled some code duplication and committed to a cross-project refactoring.<p>Exciting to see some smart people uniting over respect for a common problem.
qhoxieover 16 years ago
Hop in #merb and #rubyonrails for commentary from wycats and dhh. Lots of good discussion.
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jackowayedover 16 years ago
So, I posted this on one of the threads for other blog posts about this, but that tread doesn't have much going on, and I want to see what people have to say about it:<p>I'm a merbist and think this will be good for both the Merb and Rails communities.<p>That said, I'm a little afraid it will shaft the other Ruby frameworks (Sinatra, Camping) and possibly straight ruby too. People might make interesting things only compatible with Rails.<p>When Merb was a pretty big, active minority, it was more compelling to go out of one's way to make interesting libraries (ORMs, gems, etc.) easily compatible with anything ruby.<p>Now, people might at the least write things specifically setup for use w/ rails in such a way that it's inconvenient to nonrails ruby, and at worst make Rails plugins for things that could be useful libraries for all of Ruby.<p>Rails is gaining modularity, but I fear Ruby overall might lose it. Even after Rails and Merb merge, rails!=ruby.
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allertonmover 16 years ago
Do I detect the hand of Benchmark Capital here?<p>Edit: I wrote the orginal comment in a hurry - but what I was getting at was that Engine Yard took quite a bit of cash from Benchmark. I somehow doubt that a move like this could have happened without their approval, and I have to wonder if they instigated it (and why...)
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cgleeover 16 years ago
I love this. I was just torn about learning Merb and worried about how the Rails community was slowing down. This should inject some much needed energy as well as introduce some of Merb's awesome features into Rails. Great move.
awtover 16 years ago
I hope the result ends up being mostly merb. It is just so much cleaner...
ruby_rooover 16 years ago
Can't wait for Zed to weigh in!
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mpkover 16 years ago
This is awesome.<p>Merb has become the 'go to' framework for Rails developers like myself who are unsatisfied with several Rails design choices.<p>However, the technical differences between the two are actually not that big. A merge of Merb and Rails concepts sounds like a good thing, all 'round.<p>Three cheers for open-source development and civil relationships between developers.
tlrobinsonover 16 years ago
My brain <i>knows</i> it's the middle of December, but I had to check to make sure it wasn't April 1st. This is <i>exactly</i> the type of headline we see every year on April 1st. Crazy that it's real.
tlrobinsonover 16 years ago
I once heard someone suggest that the "Rails" architecture should just be a standard that could be implemented for any language. This seems to be a step in that direction. Sounds pretty good to me.
thomasmallenover 16 years ago
If you can't beat 'em...
mikhailovover 16 years ago
DHH confirmed to going with current logo. Are that guy delirious? <a href="http://url.davegrey.com?06609" rel="nofollow">http://url.davegrey.com?06609</a>
nickbover 16 years ago
Well, this move has cemented Rails' future as the best web framework there is. What an awesome move! Congrats to Merb &#38; Rails teams!
mechanical_fishover 16 years ago
I'm modding this up because one of these submissions needs to win, so that we know where the conversation should go.
juliend2over 16 years ago
this is huge. and it turns out that yesterday i was considering learning merb instead of rails. but for the moment i will learn rails. what is the best one to learn at the moment in order to be ready for rails 3?
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bpraterover 16 years ago
Wow, completely unexpected! Very exciting!
mikhailovover 16 years ago
It's really great! <a href="http://www.railsgeek.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.railsgeek.com</a>
jhancockover 16 years ago
so much for "no code is faster than no code"