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Japan wants to build a cargo conveyor belt because it’s running out of drivers

51 pointsby shadowtree11 months ago

18 comments

edaemon11 months ago
Reminds me of the rue de l&#x27;Avenir, a series of parallel moving walkways set at successively higher speeds, used as public transport for the 1900 Exposition in Paris. It moved a surprising amount of people. I expect this conveyor belt has a similarly high capacity.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Rue_de_l%27Avenir" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Rue_de_l%27Avenir</a>
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ptelomere11 months ago
The article is misleading, I&#x27;ve read the actual report in Japanese. It&#x27;s not trying to built Tokyo-Osaka conveyor belt, too expensive, too close the the realm of sci-fi.<p>What they&#x27;re trying to do is to use the current trucking between metropolitans -Japan is not eager to just &quot;erase&quot; jobs - then switch to the conveyor belt system connecting into the city. What&#x27; they&#x27;re trying to build, are these switch hubs and the underground conveyor system.
swaginator11 months ago
The Roads Must Roll<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Roads_Must_Roll" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Roads_Must_Roll</a>
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anticensor11 months ago
Why have conveyor belts instead of having more freight trains?
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richardw11 months ago
It would be interesting to know the fully baked all-externality cost of it vs alternatives. Tyre rubber, road maintenance, accidents, ship diesel, ports, people, trains, insurance. Anything removing a) complex, expensive moving parts or b) significant externalities or c) people, is a win (except for that jobs thing, but Japan has reducing population). Trains would seem the logical alternative since it touches three big cities on the route, and you could presumably enter&#x2F;exit multiple places on the route.<p>Trains can handle some interruption, by orchestrating individual vehicle groups around. Surely for this to be as effective it would need a lot of that. Eg buffers, sidings, minor re-routing around issues. Main difference is the “track” moves, not just the vehicles. So you power and manage the track and the vehicles (shipping containers?) are mostly dumb and just need to be attached to it.
Glyptodon11 months ago
What makes a cargo belt more appealing&#x2F;better than trains or canals? Just that it&#x27;s ostensibly more automated and ostensibly needs less maintenance?
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pavel_lishin11 months ago
Finally, Factorio in real life.
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tmm8411 months ago
I was thinking this when I first read about the conveyor belt proposal. Years ago, Japan cut down on the hours drivers could do because many were driving too many. So, they tried to get more drivers by making it a career path for more people. Getting licensed to drive and having a life situation where you can be on the road for days is something very few have the ability to do. Add to this the population shrinkage and aging which further hinders this. I can honestly say that this is probably the only solution that will work for this problem. As for rail freight, I think it would be a good idea but as seen with recent linear rail it may be difficult to get anything that would be purpose fulfilling in this regard (yes, Japan has commuter trains but those rails are painfully busy so moving freight is getting more difficult).
ww52011 months ago
In the world of Asimov&#x27;s I Robot book, conveyor belt walkways are common transportation mechanism. The Japan conveyor belt system can ship both goods and people around.
lancewiggs11 months ago
Love the ambition.<p>The auto-handing to get freight to destinations is big advantage. This is not about delivering from one end to the other, which is better done by ship, but about sending materials to and from entities within the intensively populated and industrialised region.<p>Engineering issues include maintenance on the many rollers and other moving parts, wear and tear on the belts, uptime when maintenance is happening and general inefficiency in energy, speed and asset utilisation versus rail.
ianferrel11 months ago
As Heinlein intended.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Roads_Must_Roll" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Roads_Must_Roll</a>
numpad011 months ago
dupe: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=40809276">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=40809276</a>
mmastrac11 months ago
This works pretty well in Factorio and Satisfactory. Low speed automated transport is pretty good for throughput, just not lag.
worik11 months ago
A step beyond rail.<p>where I live politics, greed, and the stupidity of the powerful boasted trucks and crippled trains<p>So we have an intermediate step here
phkahler11 months ago
&quot;Due a lack of truck drivers&quot; at the price they are willing to pay. So this is an optimization. That&#x27;s fine. But optimized systems tend to be fragile. A belt breakdown will be less frequent that a truck problem, but will have a much larger impact.
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hanniabu11 months ago
why not dedicated a highway lane to autonomous trucks?
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webwielder211 months ago
Or they could allow 25,000 immigrants in with generous incentives to be truck drivers.
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dadjoker11 months ago
Welcome to the reality of not bearing enough children.
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