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Don't use a $5 range outlet for EV charging

21 pointsby arantius11 months ago

6 comments

doe_eyes10 months ago
I hope I&#x27;m not too jaded, but this reads really weird to me. The author disses a &quot;$5 range outlet&quot; (even though I don&#x27;t think they&#x27;re usually that cheap), then talks about spending several hundred bucks on better outlets for &quot;evaluation&quot;... and the evaluation never comes. We just get a paragraph of innuendo without any real-world testing or even a thorough teardown.<p>Do the plugs have any real-world design flaws, or is this just gear snobbery? Can the author show that they&#x27;re heating up too much? Given that there must be hundreds of thousands of home chargers, what&#x27;s the incidence of problems caused by cheap 240 V plugs?
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jasonpeacock10 months ago
I need to see evidence of this &quot;overheating and melting the outlet&quot;. Electrical code requires downrating of actual capacity to prevent things like this.<p>You&#x27;re far more likely to see damage due to loose connections - either the wires are not fully secured to the outlet, or the plug is not fully seated &amp; snug, both of which cause overheating.
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ldbooth10 months ago
I worked at an EV charger manufacturer. This is a known issue. The issue is a 240V plug value engineered for non-continuous use for things like cooking and laundry loads (where amperage spikes but levels off at fairly low amps) versus a continuous 7-10 hour load like an EV&#x2F;EVSE (where you have high amps continuously and lots of resulting heat transfer).<p>It&#x27;s limited to home EV charging. This is one reason why given the choice between a NEMA plug source or a hard wired source (to circuit in Junction box), I would choose the wired source&#x2F;circuit connection.<p>The plug manufacturers also know about the melted NEMA connector issue and are designing versions for continuous use at the higher price points mentioned.
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Analemma_10 months ago
Does this distinction also apply at the lower amps of ordinary 12V plugs? I frequently trickle-charge my EV from an ordinary 12V outlet outside on the porch for 14 hours or more, is that going to be a problem?<p>(EDIT: sorry, yes, I meant 120V outlet)
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CaliforniaKarl10 months ago
&gt; Even though the 14-50R outlet is technically a 50A outlet, when used as a kitchen range plug, they are often wired on a 40A circuit. This is permitted by the Canadian Electrical Code rule 26-744 5).<p>I wonder if the US National Electric Code allows this.
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eternityforest10 months ago
What makes a continuous load outlet so expensive? If they were mass produced couldn&#x27;t they be pretty much the same price?