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Arrow's Impossibility Theorem [video]

24 pointsby FarhadG11 months ago

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greyface-10 months ago
Why, then, does approval voting continue to be so unpopular? It's much simpler than ranked choice or score voting, doesn't suffer from the failure modes described here, and elects candidates that satisfy a larger subset of voters than either FPTP or RCV - maximizing the consent of the governed.
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a_cardboard_box11 months ago
Independence of irrelevant alternatives doesn&#x27;t seem like a desirable property to me. It suggests that someone ranking a candidate 2nd vs 100th does not tell you anything about how much they prefer their 1st choice to that candidate.<p>Suppose 50% of people rank Alice first, Bob 100th, and the other 50% rank Bob first, Alice 2nd. A voting system with independence of irrelevant alternatives would have to rank Alice and Bob equally (or at least it would have to rank them the same way as it would if they were the only candidates, with 50% preferring each one). But Alice is probably the better candidate - she&#x27;s in everyone&#x27;s top 2. The extra candidates give you information about Alice and Bob: they show that preferences for Bob are weak, and preferences for Alice are strong.
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dang11 months ago
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