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Apple Adopts 6 of OWA's Browser Choice Architecture Recommendations

60 pointsby judiisis9 months ago

10 comments

miohtama9 months ago
Is this the same as Microsoft was forced to do back in a way with Windows (and their Internet Explorer monopoly)? If I recall correctly it boosted other browsers greatly.<p>… only to have Google to force feed “You should install Chrome” on every Google search page.
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difosfor9 months ago
I wish they&#x27;d focus on getting rid of whatever is still blocking Chrome, Firefox etc from actually porting their web engines to full browser alternatives. Installing WebKit with a different coat on is not what I want. I want alternatives to the WebKit monopoly.
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pentagrama9 months ago
I want to suggest to OWA adding a new recommendation that is to lets users set an &#x27;Always ask&#x27; setting when opening links.<p>For Windows, I use this &quot;browser&quot; app as my default browser. Its main function is to show a list of installed browsers (including customizable options) whenever a link is opened from another app, allowing you to choose which browser to use. It&#x27;s great! Recommended if you use different browsers for different things <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;mortenn&#x2F;BrowserPicker">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;mortenn&#x2F;BrowserPicker</a>
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oddevan9 months ago
&gt; Browsers should be allowed to know if they are the current default browser.<p>No. No no no no no.<p>Once my default is set, it is SET. I don&#x27;t want Safari or Chrome or Firefox or $UNKNOWN_FOURTH_OPTION to prompt me every single time to make it my default browser. I just want the browser to know that it is running. Period.<p>Is there any good reason for the browser to know whether it&#x27;s the default? Serious question. Because the only reason I can think of is whining about not being the default.
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Spivak9 months ago
God this whole thing is silly. Can you imagine the same level of fervor about making users who just turned on their phone choose their default notes &#x2F; weather &#x2F; mail app. Browser vendors have far too much ego and money involved in this process saying shit about the future of the open web like it&#x27;s not just like any another app. You render text, the free world doesn&#x27;t depend on you.<p>Disallowing other browsers and making other browsers&#x27; experience worse than the default— bad, anticompetitive. Having a default is fine. Having a single engine is fine but more is certainly welcome. It&#x27;s not like we don&#x27;t already put up with a billion other iOS APIs.<p>Government mandated ad real estate for a specific kind of app is ridiculous. Especially with garbage like giving those vendors metrics so they can make their ad copy more effective.<p>My god this document is insufferable, it&#x27;s no wonder Apple is being so petty, this is blatantly an outcome driven law and exists to dark pattern the other direction. Having to show the choice screen <i>twice</i> if users chose Safari the first time is egregious.
ChrisArchitect9 months ago
[dupe] &#x2F; Related:<p><i>Apple to update EU browser options, make more apps deletable</i><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41325184">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41325184</a>
deafpolygon9 months ago
“The choice screen should be moved to device setup or upon device update rather than upon first use of the gatekeepers browser.”<p>They want the browsers to be pre-installed? You know that people are just going to install whatever “sounds cool” to them on first install without knowing anything <i>about</i> their choice. How is that freedom? Why not establish “sane” defaults, then give the choice to them later on?
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398968809 months ago
Sensible changes, I just hope it doesn’t turn into a system whereby I’m required to make a choice for every aspect of my OS.
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Terretta9 months ago
TL;DR:<p>Why prioritize “browser choice” over “full experience choice”? The answer is obvious if you&#x27;re an ad company browser harvesting users to sell.<p>Paradoxically, forcing browser choice across the whole market will reduce choice, and Google knows it.<p>. . .<p>A handheld appliance recommendation that says this:<p><i>The user’s choice of default browser must be used for In-App Browsing (SFSafariViewController)</i><p><i>Currently most In-App browsing on iOS is locked to Safari which provides Apple a very significant advantage and a lot of traffic. It is critical for browser choice that if a user decides on a particular browser, that browser is then used for web browsing by default across the OS including in In-App Browsers.</i><p>... is developer hostile, security hostile, and ultimately user hostile.<p>A key benefit of developing native apps for iOS is that you no longer have to develop for the wild west. The lack of fragmentation (browser engines, OS flavors, UIs, hardware...) is what lets you, the developer, build once and trust that it’ll work everywhere—rip that away, and you&#x27;re throwing your users into a fragmented, glitch-ridden mess. Consistency is stress-relieving for the user, and the expectation that app store apps will behave differently inside themselves doesn&#x27;t fit anyone&#x27;s mental model of how apps work.<p>Even billion-dollar banks can&#x27;t (or won&#x27;t) untangle the extra care needed for making Firefox or Safari work with their systems on a PC. So why on earth would we expect, or want, indie devs to battle with arbitrary web engines inside their native apps? No developer wants users yelling at them because OIDC flow, embedded maps, or any other in-app webview doesn’t work in the developer&#x27;s app just because the user clicked &quot;accept&quot; on a browser-swap ad. Billion dollar bank, or indie dev, the easy way out will be a Get Chrome button.<p>Most of today’s new programmers weren’t even alive for the Internet Explorer hegemony, so they can’t be blamed for not grokking the decay that sets in when a single engine dominates. But when the last defense against “Chromium Everywhere” is bulldozed by those who can’t stand the thought of consumers choosing a product that just works, we&#x27;re all worse off no matter our device, OS, or, yes, browser of choice.<p>The inevitable single choice across the entire device market and app ecosystem is no choice at all.
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tcfunk9 months ago
It&#x27;s weird that they are implementing &quot;Once chosen, browsers should be immediately set as the default and downloaded in the background&quot; and not &quot;Browsers should be able to trigger a one-click prompt to be set as the default upon being installed (as is standard on most other operating systems)&quot;. I think I would prefer the latter. If I know opening a browser is going to automatically set it as my default, I will be less likely to try out new browsers.
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