TE
TechEcho
Home24h TopNewestBestAskShowJobs
GitHubTwitter
Home

TechEcho

A tech news platform built with Next.js, providing global tech news and discussions.

GitHubTwitter

Home

HomeNewestBestAskShowJobs

Resources

HackerNews APIOriginal HackerNewsNext.js

© 2025 TechEcho. All rights reserved.

Study: Air purifier use at daycare centres cut kids' sick days by a third (2023)

433 pointsby mji10 months ago

31 comments

PaulKeeble10 months ago
There has been a number of these studies in schools and hospitals showing HEPA filters reduce up to about 2/3rd of infections. We now know many viruses are airborne including Covid and Al Hubbard's studies on how long virus is viable has shown it can be hours and it's helped by high CO2. Air circulation and reducing CO2 makes a big difference as well.
评论 #41349792 未加载
评论 #41352130 未加载
retrochameleon10 months ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;gaQTYrisieA" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;gaQTYrisieA</a><p>This is an extremely well researched and presented video that exposes the fact that HEPA purifier marketing is a bit of a scam. The most important factor in air purifiers is not the filter but Clean Air Delivery Rate. You can only make a difference if you are moving air through the filters faster than particulate is introduced into the air.<p>I just returned a Medify filter because their advertised square footage is way higher than what the purifier should support based on the info in the video; it is inadequate. No idea how they are calculating their numbers - not to mention it&#x27;s probably at the max speed setting - but it doesn&#x27;t align with the sources from the video.<p>On top of that, smaller air purifiers must move air faster, be noisier, and the smallest sizes of particulate are captured most effectively at low velocities.<p>Use something like this to make a nicer version of a CR box: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;acinfinity.com&#x2F;component-cooling&#x2F;cabinet-fan-systems&#x2F;airplate-s7-home-theater-and-av-quiet-cabinet-cooling-fan-system-12-inch&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;acinfinity.com&#x2F;component-cooling&#x2F;cabinet-fan-systems...</a><p>Or buy one of these: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cleanairkits.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cleanairkits.com&#x2F;</a><p>Those seem to be the best options that ACTUALLY work.
评论 #41351158 未加载
thinkcontext10 months ago
If borne out this is pretty big. A huge amount of productivity is lost by parents taking care of sick kids or who get sick from their kids. Further it might even lessen the overall spread of seasonal diseases.
评论 #41348621 未加载
_dain_10 months ago
This is one of the three educational interventions with solid evidence of it working. The other two are air conditioning and free school lunches. People don&#x27;t get excited over them though, because they have nothing to do with teachers or curriculum or educational theory.
评论 #41348933 未加载
评论 #41348444 未加载
评论 #41349363 未加载
elric10 months ago
I installed a Zehnder ComfoAir Q ventilation system in my home. It has heat and moisture recuperation capabilities. It&#x27;s currently refreshing the air at around 100m³&#x2F;hour. It has an F7 (aka &quot;ISO Fine&quot; or &quot;MERV 13&quot;) filter. Since installing it, my asthma has improved a fair bit, and I&#x27;m sneezing a lot less. Added benefit, virtually no mosquitoes have been able to enter my home. I&#x27;m still considering getting an extra filter addon to filter out more fine soot from car exhaust etc, but even without that option I&#x27;ve been very happy with the results.<p>Edit: hit reply too soon. Wanted to add: are air purifiers as effective as increased ventilation? Should we combine the two?
评论 #41358579 未加载
评论 #41352205 未加载
评论 #41349859 未加载
评论 #41349754 未加载
plasticchris10 months ago
With my experience around poorer schools in the USA I would worry that the filter wouldn’t get replaced for decades and itself become a breeding ground for molds.
评论 #41355932 未加载
swagasaurus-rex10 months ago
There was a great deal of interest in how to remove airborne viruses during Covid.<p>One of the biggest takeaways seemed to be that UV light destroys viruses in seconds.<p>Seems like there a lot of things we could do
评论 #41352058 未加载
评论 #41353058 未加载
评论 #41348891 未加载
LinuxBender10 months ago
Anecdotally can vouch for air purifiers. I bought an old earth bermed home. I suspected radon may be an issue. Purchased 2 AirThings and they were off the government charts so to confirm Radon Daughters were being produced I bought more air purifiers and an Alpha Geiger Counter. I can hold it 2 inches from any of my filters and the alarm sounds. 640 CPM alpha radiation. That changed my project priorities. The filters only bought me some time as the air away from the filters is the same level of radiation as outdoor background noise but obviously the source is still emitting gas. I will probably just bulldoze this place.
评论 #41348368 未加载
chriscjcj10 months ago
Can anyone provide or link to some solid guidelines on what kind&#x2F;brand of air purifiers actually do real effective filtration vs. garbage products? I have found that a great many of these &quot;air purifiers&quot; have great marketing and make amazing claims.
评论 #41350500 未加载
评论 #41350418 未加载
评论 #41354457 未加载
评论 #41351596 未加载
评论 #41350444 未加载
评论 #41353125 未加载
encoderer10 months ago
Even better (where weather allows) is fully outdoor daycare. We were fortunate to have only the briefest of shut downs during COVID.<p>Obviously impractical in many areas but it&#x27;s part of the California dividend
评论 #41348808 未加载
评论 #41348524 未加载
评论 #41348558 未加载
评论 #41352380 未加载
switch00710 months ago
Good news. Hopefully a country as wealthy as Finland can just roll this out countrywide without much thought, if not already standard
评论 #41348636 未加载
taeric10 months ago
So from 10-13 down to 7-9? Nice.<p>Will be neat to see if the kids were still carriers, but managed to keep the viral loads down such that they weren&#x27;t &quot;sick&quot; during that time. I recall a study a few years back that said kids at that age were basically always sick, just not often symptomatic.
xyst10 months ago
Any HVAC professionals or plumbers know if a mini-split A&#x2F;C system can be outfitted with UV bulbs?<p>Have a few Levoit air purifiers that sit flush against the wall. But would be nice to have an extra layer at the source.
评论 #41353898 未加载
评论 #41352429 未加载
photochemsyn10 months ago
I wouldn&#x27;t call this a statistically significant result, and the fact that the buildings in question had good mechanical air ventilation could very well explain the results:<p>&gt; &quot;Utilizing the model, we used portable air cleaners in two day care units (A and B, number of children participating in the study n = 43) and compared infection incidents between the two intervention units to the rest of the units in city of Helsinki (n = 607). The intervention buildings had mechanical supply and exhaust air ventilation.&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sciencedirect.com&#x2F;science&#x2F;article&#x2F;pii&#x2F;S2950362024000043" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sciencedirect.com&#x2F;science&#x2F;article&#x2F;pii&#x2F;S295036202...</a><p>You also have to consider external air quality, as ventilating a building with polluted air would have negative effects like increased asthma. In that case perhaps a sealed building with air purifiers is a better option, but then CO2 buildup is a concern, so you&#x27;d need CO2 scrubbers, which are expensive.<p>That&#x27;s why clean air regulations matter, and getting off fossil fuel combustion as an energy source (and limiting pesticide&#x2F;herbicide use in agricultural zones) is the easiest route forward.
duxup10 months ago
Is there any information on the type &#x2F; price of these air purifiers?<p>There&#x27;s a lot of &quot;air purifiers&quot; out there on the market.
评论 #41349066 未加载
评论 #41349140 未加载
rajnathani10 months ago
Given that air purifiers could increase airborne endotoxin levels [0], that instead better ventilation should be prioritized as it also solves the higher CO2 problem, where we know cognitive function slows down due to higher CO2 levels [1]. Given that OSHA sets an upper limit on CO2 in the workplace, I wonder whether daycare centers have such norms enforced too.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sciencedirect.com&#x2F;science&#x2F;article&#x2F;pii&#x2F;S016041202031833X" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sciencedirect.com&#x2F;science&#x2F;article&#x2F;pii&#x2F;S016041202...</a><p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ucl.ac.uk&#x2F;bartlett&#x2F;energy&#x2F;news&#x2F;2018&#x2F;dec&#x2F;study-mitigating-effects-higher-co2-levels-productivity-receives-widespread-coverage" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ucl.ac.uk&#x2F;bartlett&#x2F;energy&#x2F;news&#x2F;2018&#x2F;dec&#x2F;study-mi...</a>
throw710 months ago
Indoor air environments are usually poor. Just having outside air from open windows would be an improvement.
评论 #41352403 未加载
unglaublich10 months ago
Yes, please. My colleagues, who are parents, are constantly sick whenever their children are at daycare, and I have no interest in the constant coughing and&#x2F;or getting sick myself.
评论 #41348872 未加载
评论 #41348404 未加载
评论 #41356894 未加载
modeless10 months ago
Near UV seems really promising for preventing indoor disease transmission as well. Has there been any more research on it lately?
评论 #41348773 未加载
评论 #41348927 未加载
Fire-Dragon-DoL10 months ago
This would he huge. Aside from the huge benefit, it would be great not having runny nose or cough 6 months of the year.
coding12310 months ago
I actually hope building codes eventually include some kind of positive pressure system in the future where incoming air is hepa&#x27;d. PPSystems tend to clean the air the most.
thrance10 months ago
I&#x27;d like to see the study first, how can we know that this year&#x27;s flu variant wasn&#x27;t just less infectious ? What was the sample size ? What&#x27;s the p-value ?
评论 #41348868 未加载
评论 #41348542 未加载
DrNosferatu10 months ago
What kind of purifiers did they use?<p>(couldn’t find in the posted article)
elevatedastalt10 months ago
Could this be combined with masks for greater efficacy?
评论 #41349147 未加载
评论 #41349893 未加载
评论 #41348769 未加载
评论 #41348929 未加载
eleveriven10 months ago
Improving indoor air quality could be a simple yet impactful measure to promote health and reduce the spread of infections
optymizer10 months ago
This 󠁗󠁥is 󠀠󠁤silly. 󠁯󠀠We 󠁩󠁴can 󠀠󠁦encode 󠁯󠁲data 󠀠󠁴in 󠁨󠁥plaintext. 󠀠󠁬What 󠁵󠁬then?<p>(this 󠁺󠀮message contains a hidden secret)
patrickhogan110 months ago
Now if they would just open the windows :)
tgsovlerkhgsel10 months ago
It&#x27;s amazing that this seems surprising to people after COVID.<p>Next up:<p>* Air purifiers in schools cut parent&#x27;s sick days too (not just &quot;I need to care for my kid&quot; days - &quot;parent is sick&quot; and &quot;childless coworker of parent is sick&quot; sick days)<p>* Air purifiers in strategic locations (high density offices, public transit, schools, ...) cut sick days across the population.<p>I think this will be our generations &quot;realizing that washing your hands before surgery makes patients die less&quot;, and it&#x27;s quite embarrassing that with all the knowledge about viral transmission we couldn&#x27;t figure this out <i>before</i> the pandemic, and even more embarrassing that we couldn&#x27;t figure it out immediately after we tested many of these things at a large scale.
评论 #41350023 未加载
评论 #41351007 未加载
评论 #41353332 未加载
评论 #41349952 未加载
lurking_swe10 months ago
have we learned nothing from the covid pandemic?
评论 #41348702 未加载
评论 #41349206 未加载
funnym0nk3y10 months ago
However I think it is important for children to get sick. Humans need pathogens to train their immune system.
评论 #41348325 未加载
评论 #41348779 未加载
评论 #41348306 未加载
评论 #41348422 未加载
评论 #41348396 未加载
评论 #41348372 未加载
评论 #41350706 未加载
评论 #41348687 未加载
评论 #41348305 未加载
jimberlage10 months ago
As much as I hate the amount of illnesses my kids get from daycare - maybe this shouldn&#x27;t be a goal? In workplaces, hospitals, etc. we definitely want to reduce illness. In daycares, the kids are all building their immune systems and the contact with germs is a vital part of that.<p>I definitely understand the teachers don’t want to be sick, and it’s a hardship on parents to keep kids home, so it’s not all about the kids’ health. But the kids’ health might be better served by letting them get more minor illnesses, not less.
评论 #41351542 未加载
评论 #41351569 未加载
评论 #41351553 未加载