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Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act

131 pointsby bpierre9 months ago

13 comments

adamtaylor_139 months ago
The EU has proven itself time and time again to be so openly anti-innovation that it’s difficult to even take legislation like the Digital Services Act seriously. None of my products operate in the EU and for good reason. I have no interest in playing the legal games required to support them.<p>I wish I more fully understood the cultural differences that make this anti-innovation stance so prevalent in the EU.
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jMyles9 months ago
At some point, the adults in the room (and specifically, a few brave and seasoned elder statesmen&#x2F;women) need to stand up and state the obvious:<p>On sufficiently long time scales, the internet will not tolerate states, and states will not be able to withstand the influence of the internet.<p>The ability to copy and send bytes around the world, to capture and disseminate media in such a way that forces transparency, but also to facilitate and democratize private conversation, to route around censorship... these are qualities that make what are today fundamental aspects of statecraft, such as state secrets, intellectual property, control over money supply and trade, surveillance, and censorship, impossible.<p>It&#x27;s time to acknowledge that we need to transition our methods for ensuring each other&#x27;s safety, well-being, freedom, justice, and prosperity via stateless channels and stop regarding states as having any jurisdiction over the internet.
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vvpan9 months ago
Too much talk going on without actually hearing the charges.
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amelius9 months ago
Can&#x27;t the EU make their own messaging app?
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darkhorn9 months ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;turan.az&#x2F;en&#x2F;politics&#x2F;putin-refused-to-meet-with-pavel-durov-in-baku-783760" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;turan.az&#x2F;en&#x2F;politics&#x2F;putin-refused-to-meet-with-pave...</a>
aa_is_op9 months ago
&quot;It is absurd to claim that a platform or its owner are responsible for abuse of that platform.&quot;<p>What an utter ridiculous and misleading statement from the company that LITERALLY REFUSES to take down drug and malware shops from its platform.<p>There&#x27;s tens of academic studies that have looked at this problem and many of them have Telegram as the worst offender.<p>Here&#x27;s just one of the studies: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cyber.fsi.stanford.edu&#x2F;io&#x2F;news&#x2F;addressing-distribution-illicit-sexual-content-minors-online" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cyber.fsi.stanford.edu&#x2F;io&#x2F;news&#x2F;addressing-distributi...</a>
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Timber-65399 months ago
The more the French authorities delay in releasing official information about Durov&#x27;s arrest, the worse it looks for them.<p>I mean the West has always accused the East of employing similar tactics wrt arresting journalists&#x2F;freedom fighters etc, how do we not see the irony here...
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thefz9 months ago
From the tweet:<p>&gt; It is absurd to claim that a platform or its owner are responsible for abuse of that platform.<p>No, it is exactly the law.
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ben_w9 months ago
&gt; It is absurd to claim that a platform or its owner are responsible for abuse of that platform<p>As the law places certain responsibilities onto platforms, if you (any platform not just Telegram) say this kind of thing, are you sure you&#x27;re following the law right, or are you just saying the law is wrong and bad?
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agapon9 months ago
Telegram blah blah, according to Telegram.
jdasdf9 months ago
They shouldn&#x27;t.
fredgrott9 months ago
hmm gee setting up shell companies to avoid government subpoenas probably is not good at collaborating that narrative.
rasz9 months ago
There is a war going on in Europe right now. Real war with tanks, bombs and rockets, often hitting hospitals in Kyiv for some weird reason. This arrest put russians in a panic mode. Did you know russian army is actually using Telegram for coordinating strikes, and Discord for FPVs? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youchu.be&#x2F;watch?v=mwtbTuLZXWw" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youchu.be&#x2F;watch?v=mwtbTuLZXWw</a><p>You know something is up when russians, and Snowden (or his handler), are calling the arrest of French citizen in France &quot;taking hostages&quot;.
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