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Mapping 20k ships that sank during WW II

447 pointsby ohjeez9 months ago

26 comments

JoeAltmaier9 months ago
My uncle was on a small gunboat in the pacific, which was sunken by a single Japanese plane. They were on extended patrol, supposed to be observing and reporting from concealment.<p>But bored sailors will do anything, and what they did was fire upon a small plane (missing it). Which turned and strafed them, sinking their little boat and leaving my uncle with shrapnel in his butt for the rest of his life.<p>His tiny experience in a vast planet-wide panorama of violence. This mapping project is a heroic undertaking! My hat is off to the people involved.
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dredmorbius9 months ago
For context, the contemporary commercial merchant fleet is about 80,000 ships, roughly a third of which are bulk liquid carriers (a&#x2F;k&#x2F;a oil tankers). As a percentage, that&#x27;s actually down from the 1970s&#x2F;80s when <i>half</i> of all commercial ships were tankers. Most of the growth has been in container ships.<p>Relevant to WWII, oil tanker losses by the US alone were staggering. &quot;A total of 129 tankers were lost in American waters in the first five months of 1942.&quot; (&lt;<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;warfarehistorynetwork.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;operation-drumbeats-devastating-toll-on-allied-shipping&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;warfarehistorynetwork.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;operation-drumbeat...</a>&gt;).<p>A consequence was the US government building the first long-distance oil pipelines, the &quot;Big Inch&quot; and &quot;Little Big Inch&quot; pipelines from east Texas to refineries on the Atlantic seaboard in New Jersey. They remain in use.<p>&lt;<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Big_Inch" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Big_Inch</a>&gt;<p>I&#x27;ve also realised that both whales and large-scale commercial shipping rely on similar circumstances: the ability to on- and off-board cargo (or food) rapidly, widely-separated ports (or feeding grounds), and no significant predators (or war &#x2F; piracy hazards). Whales are a remarkably recent evolutionary development, with the large great whales dating back only about 5 million years. Similarly, bulk shipping required not only global markets but cargos which could be handled in aggregate, whether liquids (as with petroleum), dry solids (mostly ores), or containerised miscellaneous cargo, the latter being premised on standardisation. Canals, safe shipping routes, and quayside cargo handling capacity were also prerequisites.
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bloopernova9 months ago
If you&#x27;re interested in how some of the wrecks got in Ironbottom Sound, read <i>Neptune&#x27;s Inferno</i> by James Hornfischer.<p>Then read <i>The Last Stand of The Tin Can Sailors</i> by the same author. Because it&#x27;s an amazing book about some astonishing bravery in the face of overwhelming odds.
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hermitcrab9 months ago
The linked page is very impressive, as is the work that must have gone into the database.<p>I once scuba dived on SS Thistlegorm, which was sunk by German aircraft while waiting to enter the Suez canal. It was quite eerie to see the trains and other vehicles still onboard.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;SS_Thistlegorm" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;SS_Thistlegorm</a>
neutered_knot9 months ago
What was fascinating to me was that the first US commercial ship sunk by Germany was sunk on the south side of Australia! I found that by accident clicking around. Truly a world war, I suppose.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;MS_City_of_Rayville" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;MS_City_of_Rayville</a>
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runxel9 months ago
On a related note: Those ships are highly sought after. At some point there will probably a startup using this data to salvage all these ships.<p>Why? Because it was before the nuclear bomb and all the other desasters that followed which actually permanently raised our background radiation levels. And because these ships were and still are underwater, they have been largely unaffected by this.<p>It might not seem much but apparently the radiation difference is enough, so for things that go into your body (like after an operation) only this old steel is used.<p>Or so I was told by a friend working in medical.
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bane9 months ago
If there was ever a map that showed the global scale of the war, this is the one if you consider how much of the Earth is Ocean.<p>Clicking through the years also shows very clearly the tides turning, the war contracting around the axis powers, and the amount of absolutely destruction.
shultays9 months ago
&lt;3 the scrolling implementation of this website. The browser scroll is as default, nothing is hijacked. It is just the background &amp; images on webpage are updated as you scroll it creating those animations. You can use page down, space key, the scrollbar or whatever to scroll and it just works
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anymouse1234569 months ago
Would love to learn more, but hard pass on scrolljacking sites.
Simon_ORourke9 months ago
My pop&#x27;s uncle was one of those Atlantic dots, he got off the SS Santore in 1942 after it stuck a mine coming out of Chesapeake Bay, and I remember growing up with his stories of how the merchant marine took greater casualties than any of the armed services.
harimau7779 months ago
It&#x27;s surprising to me how few ships seem to sink out in the open ocean where it would be nearly impossible to ever recover or research their wrecks.<p>Does anyone know to what degree modern ships tend to hug the coast on their trips? My understanding is that until relatively recently (maybe the last 500 years or so?) almost all sailing was coastal and it was mostly unheard of for anyone to venture out into open ocean. However, I don&#x27;t know to what degree that&#x27;s still the case. E.g. if a modern ship is traveling from from somewhere in Asia or Europe to South Africa do they plot a relatively direct route or do they tend to hug the coast?
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abbbi9 months ago
this site rocks wtf, your completely drawn into a nice story. Never had such an urge to dig deeper since a long time i opened a site.
piqufoh9 months ago
&gt; But by 1943, the tides had turned in their favor.<p>&gt; There is a clear inflection point around March 1943: From this point onward, the Allied forces sank more ships every month than they lost.<p>Any idea what what happened early 1943? Was there a specific event that changed the direction, or is the balance point of slow attrition?
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dmix9 months ago
This site crashes ios chrome if you scroll too fast
wing-_-nuts9 months ago
Honestly the loss of life is kind of horrifying. Especially when you consider the vast majority were unarmed transport ships of some kind. I cannot imagine slowly trawling along in some tanker when suddenly you&#x27;re under fire from a uboat with no way to shoot back.<p>I feel like we&#x27;re &#x27;sleepwalking towards war&#x27; today with China over Taiwan (many top military brass have said they expect a war later this decade), and to be brutally frank, it&#x27;s kind of insane to me that the powers that be have decided a mountainous island and some computer chips are worth the sacrifice of hundreds of thousands or even millions of human lives. I hope sanity prevails.
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mwbajor9 months ago
We use this website for diving off the US East coast.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.facebook.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;Eastern-Search-Survey-100063552943247&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.facebook.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;Eastern-Search-Survey-10006355294...</a><p>ESS has mapped and imaged many ships off the eastern seaboard, some sunk by U-boats during WW1 and WW2. The images and data collected are excellent.
j-a-a-p9 months ago
Seeing 20,000 dots is humbling. My grandfather survived two dots on this map. It has settled as a profound family story.
hilux9 months ago
Wow. It&#x27;s my dream to dive these wrecks. I guess I&#x27;d better get on it.
RecycledEle9 months ago
German U-Boats sank many more ships in the Gulf of Mexico that was reported.<p>The FDR administration lied about it then, and I see from the map in the article that they have never corrected those lies.
xpe9 months ago
Look at 1942. You&#x27;ll see a large number of Allied ships were sunk in the Atlantic, not that far from the US coast. I&#x27;m not expert on WWII history, but I would not have expected that.
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mkapoor269 months ago
Some didn&#x27;t liked the site but I liked it, don&#x27;t know seems impressive. Btw, the name is really a coincidence. like paul heersink (here sink) man finding the ships that sank. Found this video of him on YouTube guess he helped in mapping cache maps. Video:<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=0oxT9Ud834Y" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=0oxT9Ud834Y</a> Transcript: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;yttranscripttool.com&#x2F;transcription?video_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D0oxT9Ud834Y" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;yttranscripttool.com&#x2F;transcription?video_url=https%3...</a>
aklemm9 months ago
aka hoarding fishing spots!
samber9 months ago
we can even see the Normandy landing beaches (June 6, 1944)
benbristow9 months ago
Battleships: Hardcore Mode
kh_hk9 months ago
data &gt; maps
zeitgeistcowboy9 months ago
What a great example of an <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Aptronym" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Aptronym</a> . This guy&#x27;s last name is Heersink and he&#x27;s finding out where all the boats sank.
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