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Work with people who tell you when you're stupid

63 pointsby gk18 months ago

11 comments

exabrial8 months ago
Thomas Sowell — "When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear."
acheong088 months ago
I do agree. I’ve been working on a month long hackathon recently with a team & one of the issues we have is that since none of us know each other well, we’re a bit more reserved. This has meant that some team members have gone down really stupid paths or coded with extremely bad style (tons of magic numbers, xyz as variable names, no type hints, etc) with nobody to stop them. I wish I had the ability to call them out but when they’re an Oxford graduate and you’re just a Cardiff nobody, it’s hard to say anything without angering the whole group.
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biomcgary8 months ago
I&#x27;m fortunate to work in a biotech startup where the CEO actively encourages people to push back on him and he seems to relish it. In fact, one of my colleague&#x27;s unofficial job titles is &quot;devil&#x27;s advocate&quot;, particularly around statistical claims (e.g., anti-p-hacking).<p>It helps that the team members are all fairly experienced, have a previous history of working together, and are generally mature individuals. I&#x27;m not sure it works without that filter, which is possible for us because our CEO is a serial founder with a deep network of competent people.
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huhkerrf8 months ago
I want to be nice, but there is &quot;write bad code&quot; stupid, and then there is &quot;pay for your business travel yourself&quot; stupid. How did his manager never pull him aside and tell him to stop it?
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toofy8 months ago
i agree, however, because ive seen people unironically argue otherwise, i’d expand it a little: work with people who are intelligent enough to give <i>constructive</i> criticism.<p>i have more than enough experience building teams to know with confidence that if alice is naive enough to tell bob, mallory and eve they are stupid—no matter alice’s skill level—the majority of time her team will not perform as well as the other team where david has learned how to give constructive criticism.<p>criticism is one of the key mechanisms a team needs, but someone skilled at delivering that criticism is every bit as valuable as the unicorn.
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Jemm8 months ago
No! You have it all wrong. We have to be positive all the time and never ever say anything that might be construed as negative or critical.
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hirvi748 months ago
People telling me I am stupid would be redundant information. I already know this, and I do not try to come off as anything superior. I am only concerned with how I can harness the same stupidity for improvements.
more_corn8 months ago
The people who most need to hear this cannot hear this.
wiskinator8 months ago
Yes and, I hate working with people who think this means you can literally say “you are stupid” and that this the same as providing helpful feedback.<p>If you are blunt to the point of being rude, then any communication you’re attempting is going to get lost behind the other person getting angry. People, generally, don’t think productively if they feel attacked, diminished or insulted.<p>You’ve gotta phrase what you want to say in a way that won’t elevate someone’s emotions beyond the point that they can actually hear your real feedback.
AnimalMuppet8 months ago
As long as they can take it too.<p>That is: When I decide you&#x27;re being stupid, it&#x27;s not always <i>you</i> who&#x27;s being stupid. Sometimes it&#x27;s me. Sometimes when I tell you you&#x27;re being stupid, it turns out that I am. If I&#x27;m going to tell you, I need to be open to finding out that, no, actually <i>I&#x27;m</i> being stupid on this question.
WarOnPrivacy8 months ago
&gt; Work with people who tell you when you&#x27;re stupid<p>...and who you trust to deliver that info: re ++knowledge, --agenda<p>Other info (like having bad breath or taking-up-1.2-parking-spaces-in-a-full-lot-is-bad) can be trusted from anyone.