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London saw a surprising benefit to ultra-low emissions zone: More active kids

332 pointsby colinprince8 months ago

23 comments

w3news8 months ago
Emission zone shouldnt be the issue, it is about the amount of cars and road safety for every user. Check e.g. the Dutch road design, where many kids ride bikes. This is already for decades, and has nothing to do with emission zones. But another road design can also help reducing emissions. It is about how many people can travel safe, and with big cities, you have to reduce cars to increase the amount of people that can travel safe, like bikes, walking, and public transport. Road and city design is very important for a livable city.
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naming_the_user8 months ago
My 2c as a local: a significant issue with any discussion of this is that people don&#x27;t really have a good handle on the actual statistics of who drives in London.<p>It cuts across every demographic. Under 25k household income - a good 40-50% of households have a car. Housing estates - tons of cars. Well off - almost everyone.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;content.tfl.gov.uk&#x2F;technical-note-12-how-many-cars-are-there-in-london.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;content.tfl.gov.uk&#x2F;technical-note-12-how-many-cars-a...</a><p>It mostly comes down to whether someone has a need (e.g. has children, fairly mobile in their job, has family outside of town, enjoys going on road trips etc) and actually wants to pay for it rather than anything else.<p>In addition to that, a bunch of stuff happened basically at the same time. We got ULEZ, we got a ton of low traffic neighbourhoods (e.g. streets where cars are not allowed at certain times of day regardless of emissions), we had COVID meaning that habits and demographics changed, we had Brexit which probably had some minor effect, etc. All of that happened within about 5 years and I don&#x27;t think you can isolate any of them.<p>I don&#x27;t really find most discussions about it interesting as a result of all of the above - it usually just ends up with someone trying to find evidence for their pre-existing position rather than anything that feels actually scientific, unfortunately.
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carlgreene8 months ago
I wish the article stated if the amount of cars traveling in the zone remained the same.<p>I would think it probably greatly reduced the amount of traffic in that area, which all around just makes for a more pleasant experience being a pedestrian, biker, or scooterer.<p>Regardless, I think this is awesome and wish it could be tried in the United States. Kids being able to be independent and active is essential to their happiness and development.
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mrcartmeneses8 months ago
The air in London is noticeably cleaner than it used to be. Londoners should be proud of what has been achieved
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MisterBastahrd8 months ago
You want more active kids in the US? This is easy. Every neighborhood needs to have multiple adjacent lots with no construction on it. Aka, a park of sorts. It doesn&#x27;t need to have slides, or games, or any of that other stuff. It just needs to be an open space with enough room that groups of kids can go and engage in outdoor activities without the need to be constantly monitored by adults. That&#x27;s it.<p>They can play football or baseball or soccer or frisbee or tag. Doesn&#x27;t matter. What matters is that you give them the room and let them do their own thing. Not only would this help them be more active, but it&#x27;d help them socialize a great deal more than they normally do.
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occz8 months ago
This is good, but I wouldn&#x27;t classify it as surprising - urbanist advocates have been going on about this for years and years. Remove the dangerous and unpleasant elements from the streetscape (cars) and active transportation flourishes (walking, biking, transit).
PeterStuer8 months ago
Brussels is planning to go EV only by 2035. At this point, there is alost no significant investments in charging capacity. Even worse, landlords are refusing to install charge points in basement garages, presumably because of insurance costs.<p>I&#x27;m not against EV at all, even though it is overhyped on the one side and demonized on the other. What bothers me is the hypocrisy in messaging. You can not pretend going full EV in 10 years and not be on a never befote seen giant grid replacement right now.<p>So what is it? Are you going to make car ownership in the city a 1% privilege? Will not much change but will everybody have to pay the exemption fee (oh yes, that exists)?<p>Both can be an acceptable position, just don&#x27;t pretend.
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BartjeD8 months ago
When I stayed in London half a year ago, we overnighted in the Limehouse area, at the edge &#x2F; outside of the ULEZ.<p>I can tell from experience there is a big difference in the air. In that area it smelled like exhaust and smog, while the center had no such thing.<p>When I reflect on it, I feel that the less affluent areas have been left out to dry &#x2F; rot in the exhaust. While the upper class city center is now pristine.
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1udsdhoasfih8 months ago
Side-note: in the EU, it is currently surprisingly hard to comply with LEZ. Every state has their own scheme, with information only on third-party websites. Just some examples:<p>* France requires postal pre-registration (they send you a sticker)<p>* in Italy you have to check with each municipality, who at best show you a low-res drawing of the LEZ<p>* (Italy:) Google Maps doesn&#x27;t know about Low <i>Emission</i> Zones, so it happily sends you through<p>* (Italy, too:) There seem to be very little pedestrian zones. You can drive everywhere, through the Low Traffic Zone might not <i>permit</i> you through. For Google Maps, you can drive everywhere… but you&#x27;ll end up getting a fine.<p>I&#x27;d like to see <i>way</i> more LEZ, but in practice, it is such a mess unfortunately…
tim3338 months ago
As a Londoner in the ULEZ with a car and a bicycle, there were a lot of other changes in that general period to push people away from driving and towards cycling and the like. Blocking streets to cars, removing parking places and the like. I now find with an ebike getting from a to b in the center takes like 1&#x2F;2 to 1&#x2F;3 the time as driving - the cars are all stuck in non moving queues at traffic lights.
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gpvos8 months ago
&quot;Their annual health assessments&quot;. Is that something everyone, or maybe every student, in the UK has?
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vfclists8 months ago
Roads Were Not Built for Cars - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;roadswerenotbuiltforcars.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;roadswerenotbuiltforcars.com&#x2F;</a><p>There&#x27;s More To Dutch Roads Than You Think - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=b4ya3V-s4I0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=b4ya3V-s4I0</a>
mzmzmzm8 months ago
It continues to be an absolute travesty that Governor Kathy Hochul is pointlessly blocking NYC from reaping the same benefits...
fennecfoxy8 months ago
And yet having lived in the London area for almost 7 years now (previously born in NZ):<p>In New Zealand I saw large vehicles like utes and defenders doing actual jobs on the terrain that they were built for. The only SUVs that I really saw were out in the wops where they wanted a dual purpose vehicle or the time I saw Saudis laughably trying to drive a 1.5 lane width full-size hummer in central Auckland.<p>Whereas in London, YoY since I moved here I only see more SUVs clogging the narrow roads. No pop-up headlights on a sports car for me, because they&#x27;d endanger pedestrians! But a 2 tonne defender with a brick wall of a front is perfectly fine! Not only that but it seems like &gt;20-30% of the vehicles on the road are SUVs and are usually driven by a single occupant!<p>It&#x27;s honestly think it&#x27;s a sign of the times and of the direction our futures are going. The dystopian novels were real.
chx8 months ago
The daily charge is only for vehicles not meeting the ULEZ standards. For petrol vehicles this means meeting the Euro 4 criteria from 2005, for diesel it means meeting the Euro 6 criteria from 2014. It&#x27;s hardly a surprise approximately 96% of vehicles are estimated to be ULEZ compliant in Greater London.<p>I think this article is mixing up correlation vs. causation.<p>Funny sidenote: since the ULEZ now covers Heathrow, what&#x27;s the charge for an Airbus A380?
rsynnott8 months ago
I mean, define ‘surprising’. “We made walking easier and driving more difficult, and now people are walking more. How very surprising!”
galactus8 months ago
How on earth could that be surprising?
johanneskanybal8 months ago
&quot;Four in 10 London children stopped driving and started walking to school a year after the city&#x27;s clean air zone went into effect.&quot;<p>And think of all the accidents avoided from these guys not driving to school!
Mvandenbergh8 months ago
This is a terrible article, written by someone who is either dishonest or doesn&#x27;t know what they&#x27;re talking about and has never been to London, covering a paper that appears to be reasonably well done but has some serious limitations.<p>The study is here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ijbnpa.biomedcentral.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;10.1186&#x2F;s12966-024-01621-7" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ijbnpa.biomedcentral.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;10.1186&#x2F;s12966-024...</a><p>The data was collected during the 2018&#x2F;2019 academic year and then during the 2019&#x2F;2020 academic year (but before the Covid school closures).<p>First, some context: -The original ULEZ, which the referenced study looked at covers central London and should not be confused with the much larger recently expanded ULEZ which covers the whole city. Nor should it be confused with the much smaller congestion charging zone or the larger and older Low Emission Zone which covers freight vehicles. -The ULEZ rules are designed around penalising the driving of the oldest and most polluting vehicles only. In 2019 this was 80% of cars, the expanded ULEZ has overall vehicle compliance of 95%+.<p>As as result of the second point, it would not be expected that it would have a substantial effect on the number of vehicle journeys since 80% of passenger cars in the zone were already compliant anyway, therefore any effect at all is actually surprising. The paper notes a drop of 9% in total vehicle counts.<p>&quot;Four in 10 London children stopped driving and started walking to school a year after the city&#x27;s clean air zone went into effect.&quot;<p>This little quote heads the article. It seems like quite a result, right?<p>It isn&#x27;t.<p>Let&#x27;s look at the baselines here, something which immediately anyone who lives in London would be suspicious about because like me their first question would be: &quot;who was driving their kids to school in central London in 2019? Are there enough for there to be four in ten at baseline to switch?&quot;. It turns out not many people do, and no.<p>Let&#x27;s look at table 2 from the paper: (there were about 1000 kids in both the Luton and London samples) At baseline, 856 kids in London travelled using active modes and 105 using inactive modes In Luton that was 599 and 364 respectively<p>So first, we can say that &quot;four in ten children&quot; has to be interpreted pretty carefully here since 85% of kids were already walking to school (note that if they just took the bus the whole way this also counted as walking).<p>At most, we must be talking about changes to the minority of kids who weren&#x27;t using active travel before, in other words maybe it&#x27;s that &quot;Four in 10 London children (of the minority who were being driven) started walking to school.<p>But, if we look at the changes, that doesn&#x27;t quite stack up either.<p>In London: 47 kids switched from active to inactive (all measured based on travel &quot;today&quot; and in many cases there will be variation in modes across days) 44 switched from inactive to active 61 inactive&#x2F;inactive 809 active&#x2F;active<p>In Luton:<p>124 active&#x2F;inactive 74 inactive&#x2F;active 290 inactive&#x2F;inactive 475 active&#x2F;active<p>It doesn&#x27;t look like, ignoring the Luton control for the moment, there was any modal shift at all for London!<p>Luton has proportionally shifted <i>away</i> from active transport and only in relative terms to the control has there been a modal shift.<p>This is already a much less positive message. &quot;Kids in general less likely to walk to school, except in London where (potentially due to a low emissions zone) their behaviour didn&#x27;t change.&quot; Where&#x27;s my four in 10 gone?<p>The &quot;four in 10&quot; comes from the 44 kids who were inactive in the first sample but active in the second (out of 105 total inactive in first sample). Of course that is a much larger % of children from that group who switched in that direction than the 47 who switched the other way from much larger number of first sample actives. If your transition probabilities from A to B are much higher than B to A, but B is much larger group, you can end up in this situation here where you have impressive sounding % changes which nonetheless mean nothing and don&#x27;t change the population behaviour at all.<p>It&#x27;s a very fine thing, no doubt, to run multilevel binomial logistic regression models on data and come up with statistically significant odds ratios but I don&#x27;t think these results remotely justify the news article headline and subhead.
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paganel8 months ago
The kids of the well-off getting to play a little bit more because the poors’ cars have been moved out of the city, and this is somehow celebrated. The upper-middle-classes are so out of touch with things that it’s scary.
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woodpanel8 months ago
As many are pointing out that there is no reduction of actual daily traffic in London I recon that if ULEZ has an effect at all, it is soley caused by the gentrification London&#x27;s government effectivly creates by increasing the cost of living.
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ClassyJacket8 months ago
I don&#x27;t believe for a second that the reduced emissions are enough for these kids to actually notice. ULEZ is a tax on being poor, nothing more.
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kypro8 months ago
Perhaps they should make buses prohibitively expensive too, then everyone would be forced to either walk or bike to work&#x2F;school.<p>Am I missing something here? Obviously if you apply sin taxes to driving then people who can&#x27;t afford to pay them are going to be forced to drive less. I bet there would be plenty of &quot;surprising benefits&quot; if we banned all road vehicles and forced people to get around on foot and push bike too...<p>This article seems to be both making an extremely obvious observation (that the introduction of ULEZ is forcing poor families to get around the city in alternative ways) and missing the fact that such decisions come with both positives and negatives which need to be weighed up.<p>If we simply want to implement policies to benefit children&#x27;s health then we&#x27;d probably be better off banning junk food. But we don&#x27;t do that because we understand that there are trade-offs.<p>ULEZ has been a disaster for many working families and it&#x27;s highly unpopular for a reason. If you&#x27;re poor and don&#x27;t live in the inner city, or if you don&#x27;t have a nice middle-class office job and need your car&#x2F;van for work then ULEZ makes you poorer and your life more difficult.
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