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Sam Altman tells staff there’s no plan for him to receive ‘giant equity stake’

49 pointsby donsupreme8 months ago

28 comments

lolinder8 months ago
The timing of the executive departures is extremely suspicious. There&#x27;s clearly a major shift happening here in Altman&#x27;s favor, and even if he&#x27;s not getting equity now it seems inevitable at this point.<p>As others have noted, the wording here is also highly suspect: &quot;no current plans&quot; for a &quot;giant equity stake&quot; gives him at least two different paths to claim he never lied about the situation if and when he gets equity.
JumpCrisscross8 months ago
I’m reading the sequel to Robert Grave’s classic, <i>I, Claudius</i>. In it, Cæsar Claudius describes the Imperial Senate’s process of proactive prostration.<p>The Emperor never requests favours. Instead, ambitious Senators must guess his desires and offer them to him, at which point a song and dance is done about his refusing and the Senate insisting and him, reluctantly, accepting the honor.
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zerocrates8 months ago
When you&#x27;re saying the investors are demanding it, the board is saying they&#x27;ve discussed it but don&#x27;t have specific numbers, saying there are no &quot;current plans&quot; is pretty weak tea as a denial. Okay, there&#x27;s no plan today but you&#x27;re... actively working on one?
quantified8 months ago
There are concepts of a plan, though.
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insane_dreamer8 months ago
How much credibility do you reckon Sam Altman&#x27;s words have these days?
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minwcnt58 months ago
Indeed, I heard there are plans for a giant equity stake to be awarded to a company called Notsam Naltman, LLC, which would leave nothing left to give to Sam Altman.
joshdavham8 months ago
&gt; investors have raised concerns about Altman not having equity in the high-valued artificial intelligence company that he co-founded<p>I think here lies the interesting point. I’m not gonna try to mindread Sam and guess at what his true intentions are, but the investors’ intentions are clear: align Sam’s incentives with profit. I wish him the best of luck in navigating this.
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minwcnt58 months ago
He went on to tell them that he&#x27;s only expecting a wee little equity stake that&#x27;s just a single digit percentage.
throwup2388 months ago
There&#x27;s a rather simple reason why this is believable: as a board member of OpenAI Inc (the non profit), he is a disqualified person under self dealing rules [1][2]. If he actually gave himself a multi-billion dollar stake in the for-profit OpenAI Global LLC, it&#x27;d be the biggest self-dealing investigation in the history of nonprofits. The IRS and CA FTB would come down hard and OpenAI &amp; Sam would spend a year+ dealing with the fallout.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.irs.gov&#x2F;charities-non-profits&#x2F;private-foundations&#x2F;private-foundations-indirect-self-dealing" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.irs.gov&#x2F;charities-non-profits&#x2F;private-foundation...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.irs.gov&#x2F;charities-non-profits&#x2F;private-foundations&#x2F;acts-of-self-dealing-by-private-foundation" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.irs.gov&#x2F;charities-non-profits&#x2F;private-foundation...</a>
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fblp8 months ago
If he does get equity (not options) then he&#x27;ll have to pay taxes on it at the 409a valuation which is usually lower than market, but would still be crazy high.
Apocryphon8 months ago
Why would he care about mere money when he gets to be the one to merge with the thing, burning like the brightest star?
Simulacra8 months ago
I&#x27;m trying not to be pessimistic, but the level of trust and faith that I have in Sam Altman is very low.
blackeyeblitzar8 months ago
Whenever I see him speak, he is vague and evasive. He either is untrustworthy or just has no idea what’s going on.
coldn00dl3s8 months ago
I am pretty sure this started brewing in the pot when o1 and it&#x27;s pricing models were conceptualized
projectileboy8 months ago
He would <i>have</i> to deny it, even if there were none of the shenanigans surrounding all this.
talldayo8 months ago
That&#x27;s exactly what someone trying to maximize the value of their equity would say.
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outside12348 months ago
I think the only surprise in this is that he isn’t launching a crypto rug pull.
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georgeecollins8 months ago
I think he deserves every dollar he can get to protect us from robot overlords!
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outside12348 months ago
Don’t google that I’m getting a $5B stock grant vibes
hn_version_00238 months ago
Liars will lie to advance their position.
kumarvvr8 months ago
He also denied OpenAI will be a for-profit company. Yet, here we are.<p>When billions of dollars are up for grabs, values, ethics, morality, past promises and everything else in between will be thrown out the window.<p>For society, the framework should always be that a corporation is inherently evil. It is only a matter of time when that evil presents itself.
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dynjo8 months ago
A masterclass in the classic rug pull.
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jjulius8 months ago
&gt;Regarding his potentially attaining an equity stake, Altman said, “There are no current plans here,” the person said.<p>&gt;OpenAI Chairman Bret Taylor told CNBC in a statement that while the board has talked about the matter, no specific figures are on the table.<p>&gt;“The board has had discussions about whether it would be beneficial to the company and our mission to have Sam be compensated with equity, but no specific figures have been discussed nor have any decisions been made,” Taylor said.<p>So, they&#x27;re definitely talking about it and it&#x27;s definitely an option. Yes, <i>technically</i>, there might not be a definitive plan, but the intent and want are both there, and at no point has anybody flatly said, &quot;There will be no equity stake&quot;.<p>Given Sam&#x27;s history, none of what was said by them today means anything at all, and it cannot be trusted. This is just corporate weasel-wording.
ookblah8 months ago
revisit this in a few years
paulpauper8 months ago
Revisit in a few years. I am sure he will get something.
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outside12348 months ago
Cool story bro<p>So what you are saying is that we need to keep guessing at the scam you are running.<p>Because there is always a scam
phplovesong8 months ago
Sam Altman seems like a really shady guy. The tech community wont forget. Im sure there is better alternatives to OpenAI already, and new ones coming in the future.
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grahamj8 months ago
&quot;That was child&#x27;s play for me&quot;
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