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Meta fined $101M for storing passwords in plaintext

91 pointsby ssklash8 months ago

12 comments

dijksterhuis8 months ago
discussed previously: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41669912">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41669912</a>
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londons_explore8 months ago
I almost guarantee this is some logging system configured to &quot;just log every request&quot; or &quot;just keep the innerHTML of the whole page whenever an error occurs for debugging&quot; or similar, which picked up password fields too.<p>Super easy mistake to make.
jeffbee8 months ago
They have never been specific about it but everything about this story suggests that the &quot;storage&quot; in question was logs. It is easy to accidentally create a system that logs passwords as a side effect of logging some request along with its parameters, and it takes structure and discipline to avoid it.
aryan148 months ago
I’m not sure how it’s even possible to store plaintext passwords in 2024, don’t most systems use a base level of encryption by default?<p>Also surely someone noticed before they had to be fined, yikes
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AStonesThrow8 months ago
Guys, it is very difficult to avoid logging clear text passwords if your systems are set up to compile auditable logs of anything, and you already know why.<p>Because people will constantly enter their passwords in the wrong places, that&#x27;s why. Classic Unix systems administrators always found passwords logged as usernames. Or in shell history files. Or on typescript transcripts.<p>Facebook&#x27;s forms are no different, and all it takes is a moment of inattention, type into the wrong field, an accidental copy-paste, or an overzealous password manager, and how many millions of users will eventually send in their passwords?<p>The truly marvelous technical feat would be to devise a way to stop this. Essentially, you couldn&#x27;t. It&#x27;s a complex issue. Not negligence.
IncreasePosts8 months ago
This is why I always hash passwords client side before sending them to my servers. That way, when I store them in plain text, I can say it is just the hash and not the password itself!<p>On a relevant note, how is this fine amount determined? Were there any damages?
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mgraczyk8 months ago
$101M for a problem from 5 years ago, fixed quickly with no harm done to anybody, with users notified immediately at the time.<p>I wonder how much of a fine Ireland would have levied on an Irish company in similar circumstances.
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nicolashahn8 months ago
Side effect of &quot;move fast and break things&quot;, which is why the slogan has been changed to &quot;move fast with stable infrastructure&quot; (not kidding)
ChrisArchitect8 months ago
[dupe] you new here?<p>More discussion: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41669912">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41669912</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41678840">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41678840</a>
temporallobe8 months ago
If you don’t want to deal with the headaches and complexities of actual encryption, base64 at least gets you some level of information hiding.
asmor8 months ago
This isn&#x27;t substantial money for Meta, is it?
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MicolashKyoka8 months ago
they should prove damages before setting fines like this.<p>the american gov is spending billions upon billions to defend the eu and they have the gall to nitpick &amp; set 7 to 9 fig fines using %revenue (extortion) on their companies, which are btw providing valuable services (for free) to eu citizens. beyond ridiculous, especially with no sensible cap on the fines.<p>all the gdpr has done is make the web more miserable, someone from the usgov should give a call to the data protection office or wtv to remind them of their actual importance in the grand scheme of things.<p>and this is ignoring the damage they&#x27;re doing to their own tech ecosystem with this over-regulation.
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