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Ironies of Automation (1983)

81 pointsby harperlee7 months ago

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dang7 months ago
Related:<p><i>Ironies of Automation (1983)</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36638026">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36638026</a> - July 2023 (1 comment)<p><i>Ironies of Automation (1983) [pdf]</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36505285">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=36505285</a> - June 2023 (38 comments)<p><i>Ironies of Automation</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=33476157">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=33476157</a> - Nov 2022 (5 comments)<p><i>Ironies of Automation (1983) [pdf]</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=23300195">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=23300195</a> - May 2020 (11 comments)<p><i>Ironies of Automation (1983) [pdf]</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=19132724">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=19132724</a> - Feb 2019 (27 comments)<p><i>Ironies of Automation (1983)</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=18230258">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=18230258</a> - Oct 2018 (3 comments)<p><i>Ironies of Automation (1983)</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=17587611">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=17587611</a> - July 2018 (1 comment)<p><i>Ironies of Automation [pdf]</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12749342">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12749342</a> - Oct 2016 (1 comment)<p><i>Ironies of Automation (1983) [pdf]</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9756838">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9756838</a> - June 2015 (2 comments)<p><i>Ironies of Automation (1983)</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=7726496">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=7726496</a> - May 2014 (5 comments)
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bob10297 months ago
I like to imagine semiconductor manufacturing is the most extreme case of automation we have today.<p>One shift supervisor can oversee thousands of wafers per hour. Humans aren&#x27;t even in the factory anymore due to defect rates. Many employees are asleep at home with tool alarms and&#x2F;or statistical triggers over metrology data that will page them out of slumber if something goes wrong.<p>It feels like something exponential starts to happen once you get into automation rates exceeding 99%. There isn&#x27;t a single tool in a modern fab that isn&#x27;t on the automated material handling system. They build dedicated bridges just for these robots to travel between the fab buildings.
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nonrandomstring7 months ago
New to me as well. Awesome density of well formulated common-sense ideas and references. Adding this to my arsenal in defence of humanity alongside Gall&#x27;s Systemantics, Demings 14 points and Forrester&#x2F;Meadows. Can we ever stop the cult of making insane machines and cruel systems - while believing we&#x27;re &quot;making the world a better place&quot; - even when science tells us we&#x27;re wrong?
a_c7 months ago
If automation is something that get done, but not by me. Then management is automation, globalization is automation, using other people&#x27;s code is automation, LLM is also automation. The central theme to me is that, what to do when things go wrong, how often and how badly. Clueless management don&#x27;t know what actual progress is, covid, single point of failure due to no longer maintained software, hallucination, etc
debarshri7 months ago
I think automation is like recursion, more you automate, more there is to be automated.
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spiritplumber7 months ago
Very interesting read, and new to me. Thank you!
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hamilyon27 months ago
Written before Chernobyl and it stands out.