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Has the notion of "files" outlived its usefulness?

24 pointsby smarxalmost 13 years ago

6 comments

dreamdu5talmost 13 years ago
Someone who doesn't understand what he's talking about telling everyone that we don't need X because the future is the cloud and the cloud is just so different.<p>Yup... another day on HN.
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wwwestonalmost 13 years ago
Money quote:<p>"Have files outlived their usefulness? Only if you think reusing data across multiple applications has."
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crabasaalmost 13 years ago
If files could package and pass around metadata in the same way they pass around data, I might agree with Dare's conclusion. However, for me, metadata is becoming too important and has destroyed the utility of files (and pure data) being truly useful.<p>Example: Photos. The file is the photo. However, think of all the things besides that: face tags, text tags, album, ratings, etc. If you've ever tried to import 5GB of photos from iPhoto to Picasa (or vice-versa) you'll understand what I mean.<p>This is why "stuff in the cloud" is so useful: API support is there from day 1 so that you always know what CAN be exported and how.
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Lagged2Deathalmost 13 years ago
It seems to me that any system or API you imagine or make up that associates a particular stream of bits with some sort of identifier is pretty much a file system.
nnnnnialmost 13 years ago
No.
dr42almost 13 years ago
Files will never go away. It all depends on the abstraction level that you view the term 'file'. Humans are files, a self contained unit of information (with built in copy semantics!) they have meta data (hair color, eye color, height, age etc). My point is that there will always be a container object of a sequence of bytes of data. Whether that's an mp3 file or a hummingbird, they are still files.<p>A more meaningful question might be to challenge the notion of a hierarchical file system. The web has managed fine without one, so possibly search across a flat collection is a better metaphor. There are numerous others.<p>There are, however, interesting possibilities that make files less conspicuous, apple are experimenting with this, where there are pipes between apps, I open a photo, send it to snapseed, pipe it on to tumblr. At no point am I confronted with a file save dialog. Obviously it's a file under the covers, but that's just an abstraction. Files themselves are abstractions. There's really no such thing as an mp3 file, it's just a sequence of bytes we can interpret as one.