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Energy-based model explains how chronic stress transforms into disease over time

186 pointsby andrewstetsenko7 months ago

12 comments

jgneff7 months ago
I think this study is related to two books I read this summer: <i>Burn</i>, by Herman Pontzer, presents his &quot;constrained energy expenditure hypothesis,&quot; and <i>Exercised</i>, by Daniel E. Lieberman, discusses his &quot;costly repair hypothesis.&quot;<p>Together, they try to explain why exercise can force your body to stop using its energy to destroy itself (inflammation, autoimmune diseases) and instead use its energy to restore itself (releasing antioxidants, repairing damage).
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photochemsyn7 months ago
Link to full paper:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.picardlab.org&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;7&#x2F;7&#x2F;8&#x2F;4&#x2F;77845210&#x2F;2022_bobba-alves_pnec.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.picardlab.org&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;7&#x2F;7&#x2F;8&#x2F;4&#x2F;77845210&#x2F;2022_bobb...</a><p>Lots of interesting stuff about mitochondrial allostatic load. It&#x27;s essentially a Goldilocks problem - the car that&#x27;s never driven breaks down quickly when you take it out for a drive, but if you&#x27;re constantly pushing the accelerator and slamming the brakes, the car&#x27;s lifetime is cut in half. The paper seems to focus on social and psychological factors that unnecessarily increase stress:<p>&gt; &quot;From this energetic perspective, the evolution of likes and dislikes, feelings and emotions, and approach&#x2F;withdrawal behaviors arose to minimize the energetic cost of life.&quot;<p>Case example: Someone just asked me about my holiday season plans and my blood pressure probably went through the roof... I think I&#x27;m going to send them this paper.
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gregwebs7 months ago
Lets agree for the sake of argument that if the body does not have enough energy to do what it needs that causes harm. Then why not eat more food to deal with the problem?<p>I think this model is missing a critical component: the bodies ability to use energy effectively is limited by having the proper nutrients available. The easiest example being a deficiency of B vitamins since they are used for energy metabolism. Many other factors can impair energy metabolism and just eating more will not fix the situation.<p>Whereas with this model we have statements that seem too over-simplified:<p>&gt; The organism’s energy consumption capacity is biologically limited<p>This seems overstated- we know that certain athletes can consume 2x or even 3x a resting amount to support physical exertion- the human body seems designed to be able to produce more power for physical exertion when needed by consuming more energy (in addition to making long-term adaptations to make energy usage more efficient).<p>I also think that readers of this paper may take away an understated understanding of the possible negative effects of energy deficiency. Any physiological problem could be impacted by energy metabolism. For example, even if something is known to be caused by a deficiency in a nutrient that cannot be synthesized by the body, it&#x27;s still possible that improved energy metabolism might be able to reduce the usage of that nutrient in some pathways to conserve more for where it is needed.
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diskevich7 months ago
Stress management isn&#x27;t just about understanding the problem—it&#x27;s about actionable solutions.<p>Exercise, even a brief walk, reduces cortisol and boosts mood-enhancing endorphins.<p>Meditation and mindfulness, once seen as trendy, are now scientifically proven to rewire the brain for better stress handling.<p>Nutrition plays a surprising role; omega-3-rich foods like salmon can lower stress hormones.<p>Quality sleep, especially deep sleep, allows the brain to reset and repair.<p>Finally, don&#x27;t underestimate the power of social support. Sharing your struggles with others can significantly lighten your mental load.
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tmshapland7 months ago
So what do you do about stress? How do you recognize it&#x27;s happening? I found this part informative:<p>&quot;Stress reactivity occurs specifically in situations that diminish one’s control and where the prospect of being negatively evaluated, rejected, and&#x2F;or shamed are contextually manipulated (Dickerson et al., 2004).&quot;<p>I find I get the most stressed when I&#x27;m excited about a new challenge -- a new work project, seeing a path to achieving a goal I&#x27;ve been working towards for a while. When I start to feel too excited (or in the framework of this paper, I start to expend too much energy and my heart rate is elevated thinking about all I want to do to overcome the challenge), I can generally reign in the stress by reminding myself that failure happens, my peers will understand it, and I don&#x27;t have complete control over anything anyway.
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omayomay7 months ago
Well, this should be the main hypothesis of QiGong&#x2F;TaiChi&#x2F;Yoga.<p>The &quot;energy blockages&quot; means the affects of the stress on the body. (tight shoulders, abs etc..) And some mindful streching exercises (like QiGong and Yoga) aims to release this tension on the body (hence the reverse the effect of the stress) and be &quot;healthy&quot;
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mattmaroon7 months ago
So the upshot is that your body is using its energy to deal with stress rather than other problems?
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omani7 months ago
doesn&#x27;t matter what model you use to explain it.<p>cortisol.<p>too much of it or too regularly opens the door to many diseases.
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bloated50487 months ago
Does it mean exercising regularly does the same?
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mojosam7 months ago
it sounds like the authors are suggesting that additional energy usage caused by stress can, in isolation from other causes, be a mechanism for disease. But that doesn’t make much sense:<p><pre><code> - our metabolisms are adaptable, so why wouldn’t this increase in energy use simply be offset by an increase in energy production? It can’t be that people who are stressed in general aren’t getting enough energy, because that would correlate stress with weight loss, but I would argue that there are plenty of overweight people with stress. - if the argument is that an increased metabolism by itself is the culprit, then why wouldn’t people with higher metabolisms in general — like anyone who exercises regularly, but certainly athletes — not also experience more disease? If your answer is “that’s different for some reason”, then that means that increased energy usage and metabolism is not by itself the cause, which suggests it may not be the cause at all. </code></pre> Furthermore, even granting the supposition that stress requires increased energy usage, their abstract doesn’t make much sense:<p><pre><code> - “Living organisms have a limited capacity to consume energy.” Okay, so that means that no matter how stressed we get, there’s a cap to the energy we can use. But how is that relevant, since it also applies to exercise or other energy utilization by the body? Why does a limited capacity to consume energy only apply to stress? - “Overconsumption of energy by [stress handling] brain-body processes leads to … excess energy expenditure above the organism’s optimum”. Thats basically a tautology, but more importantly, it doesn’t tell us that energy consumption above “optimal” — which seems extremely vague — is a bad thing. - “In turn, [excess energy consumption above the optimal] accelerates physiological decline in cells, laboratory animals, and humans, and may drive biological aging”. So that “may” is a pretty good reason to dismiss this, since again why wouldn’t this lead to increased disease among athletes or anyone with higher metabolism? - “Mechanistically, the energetic restriction of growth, maintenance and repair processes leads to the progressive wear-and-tear of molecular and organ systems” Maybe, but why are they energetically restricted if metabolism has increased to provide more energy? And again, why don’t we then see increased disease and aging in anyone who exercises regularly, since that exercise not only uses energy that restricts growth, maintenance and repair, but exercise causes more need for repair. </code></pre> I think the core problem is that it’s all going to boil down to how you define “optimum”, which the authors conveniently don’t. The authors are going to be left with defining “optimum” as meaning “that energy usage which does not cause disease”. But that’s no different than simply claiming “stress causes disease”, so this model describes nothing, since it tells us nothing about how to identify non-optimum energy usage or how non-optimum energy usage causes disease.
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imjonse7 months ago
It is about a biological&#x2F;physiological model based on energy consumption when stressed, not the machine learning energy-based models championed by Yann LeCunn.
hammock7 months ago
This paper reminds me of the “insight” &#x2F; factoid that all mammals are basically born with the same rough number of heartbeats, and then they die. Smaller animals like mice have shorter lifespans and faster heartbeats. Larger ones like whales and elephants have slower heartbeats and longer lives.<p>The humorous (and obviously false, though apparently not if this paper is out there) corollary is that any exercise and non-sedentary lifestyle means you lose years of your life
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