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Optimizing Beer Glass Shapes to Minimize Heat Transfer – New Results

126 pointsby Luc7 months ago

18 comments

ziofill7 months ago
&gt; The Nadir Figueiredo glass […] maintains the beer cold through the most primitive of the processes: due to its low capacity, the beer is consumed so quickly that it has no time to get warm.<p>Brilliant! I want to add a trick that I learned from my father in law, who keeps his heavy-bottom beer glasses in the freezer.
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pearlsontheroad7 months ago
&quot;The American glass, also known as the &#x27;Nadir Figueiredo® glass&#x27;, due to the family name of the first industry to manufacture it, contains a rather low volume (190 ml) and is exceptionally ugly (Fig. 8).&quot;<p>Glad to see this one mentioned. In fact, it is so popular that it has become a standard unit of measure in Brazilian recipes. The reason it is so popular is because most beer sold in Brazil comes in 600 ml bottles to be shared by everyone at the table. Beer drinking in Brazil is mostly a social activity.
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richwater7 months ago
Although academically interesting, it seems practically useless due to this disclosure in the conclusion:<p>&gt; Finally, neither radiative heat transfer nor conduction due to hand contact with the glass was considered.<p>So, just letting the beer sit on the counter colder.
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jerrysievert7 months ago
I guess it really depends on the authors&#x27; definitions of &quot;beer&quot;.<p>for me, it depends entirely on what is in the glass as to what the correct temperature profile and shape is. for instance, a nice imperial stout should warm slightly before being drank, so having a glass with a large open mouth for aroma and good heat transfer from the hands is preferred.<p>when drinking from cask, the beer is served on the warmer side, and a nice nonic works well (the article didn&#x27;t go into it, but each of these glasses has a formal name, not &quot;imperial pint&quot; or &quot;my favorite&quot;), since it also opens up the aroma and keeps the temperature on the warmer side.<p>an IPA, generally you&#x27;d want to drink not completely cold as well.<p>in fact, it seems that the only beers that get better as they get colder are lagers&#x2F;pilsners.
madaxe_again7 months ago
I suspect that the glass for Pauwel Kwak is more or less ideal, based on this paper.<p>Only beer glass I’ve ever known (apart from yards) that can’t stand up on its own. Seemingly appropriate, given what a few Kwaks will do to you.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;imgres?imgurl=http:&#x2F;&#x2F;belgiancraftbeers.com&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2020&#x2F;06&#x2F;Pauwel-Kwak.png&amp;tbnid=5DlinhGUxhBQIM&amp;vet=1&amp;imgrefurl=https:&#x2F;&#x2F;belgiancraftbeers.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;product&#x2F;peacock-quack&#x2F;&amp;docid=FkMZLr-wKdaYCM&amp;w=1000&amp;h=1000&amp;hl=en-GB&amp;source=sh&#x2F;x&#x2F;im&#x2F;m1&#x2F;3&amp;kgs=d666805a4460478d&amp;shem=abme,trie" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;imgres?imgurl=http:&#x2F;&#x2F;belgiancraftbeer...</a>
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s1mon7 months ago
Or just use double-walled glasses like some of the ones made by Bodum [0]. We have a bunch of the Pavina glasses and they&#x27;re great with cold (or hot liquids).<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bodum.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;en&#x2F;coffee&#x2F;mugs-cups-glasses" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bodum.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;en&#x2F;coffee&#x2F;mugs-cups-glasses</a>
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spacemanspiff017 months ago
For those who get annoyed being sent to a pdf download: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.arxiv.org&#x2F;abs&#x2F;2410.12043" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.arxiv.org&#x2F;abs&#x2F;2410.12043</a>
hilbert427 months ago
Such a noble effort warrants an Ig-Nobel prize. After all it&#x27;s all for such an excellent cause.
rossdavidh7 months ago
Note #8: &quot;Who drinks beer below 10 °C anyway?&quot;
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senkora7 months ago
Direct link to (one of) the optimal shape(s): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;html&#x2F;2410.12043v1&#x2F;extracted&#x2F;5929719&#x2F;best_Ipint.png" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;html&#x2F;2410.12043v1&#x2F;extracted&#x2F;5929719&#x2F;best_I...</a>
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aj77 months ago
1. Beer glass has to be optimized for ruggedness when washed many times. 2. Beer glass needs to be optimized for manufacturing and packing cost. 3. Numerical modeling is reknown for making elaborate suggestions for 1% improvements.
bbqfog7 months ago
Heat transfer isn&#x27;t an issue for most ales (maybe it&#x27;s even a feature?). It matters more for lagers and stuff like kolsch. I actually like my ales to start coldish and end around room temp.
stoneman247 months ago
In addition to the interesting work done on heat transfer, i believe an important factor is the vertical height to base ratio. This would be simple proxy for the ease of tipping over. Some of the glasses considered are very tall in relation to their base diameter and expand in diameter towards the top of the glasses.<p>I’d go for the imperial pint glass, a very familiar shape and weight for me. Sample of 1 and I do live in Scotland where the ambient temperature rarely causes warming of the beer.
m3kw97 months ago
I think their conclusion is to drink from the tap so the beer has no time to get warm in a glass
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wigster7 months ago
or just go back to dimple&#x27;s with handles?
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nullc7 months ago
Is there a reason one would not consume beer from a stainless steel vacuum insulated tumbler?<p>With a well insulated container the shape could be selected to minimize tipping &#x2F; sloshing &#x2F; spilling.
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mirrorlake7 months ago
For longer beer drinking sessions, store in a double walled vacuum-sealed insulated bottle, of course.
InDubioProRubio7 months ago
Science.. is hard.. and to get datapooints.. BURP.. is even more difficult.. ANOTHER<p>Seriously though, the best practice from various south east asia countries is to freeze a large stein and insert the beer, while the stein itself holds the cold. 0.5h cool beer in tropical heat.