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Getting Called "Paid Actor" by Linus Torvalds

79 pointsby yuriko7 months ago

8 comments

doe_eyes7 months ago
I think Linus has short temper and there are examples of his remarks that are borderline toxic (or cross the line), but this really isn&#x27;t one of them.<p>The situation is pretty clear <i>and</i> calmly explained by Linus in the quoted messages. They removed contributors from Russia. The main reason is that they were told by a lawyer that they need to do this due to international sanctions. The secondary reason appears to be that Linus is not a fan of what Russia is doing, and is OK with sending a message.<p>They made a call and were immediately swarmed by people trying to argue geopolitics, law, personal responsibility, transparency, and so on - many of whom aren&#x27;t regular kernel contributors. Linus responded that he&#x27;s not going to argue, and I can&#x27;t blame him: it&#x27;s a software project, not a discussion club. Sometimes, maintainers make the call and you suck it up, leave, or fork it. This is just that.
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mr_toad7 months ago
&gt; referring to the existence of said law or NDA itself seems to be the minimum for transparency<p>If it’s being done under the aegis of national security then they might not be allowed to discuss it.
johnea7 months ago
&quot;Getting called &quot;Paid Actor&quot; by Linus Torvalds&quot;<p>Sounds like a resume line item to me 8-)<p>At least its more sophisticated than calling someone a &quot;wanking walrus&quot;, or saying they should have been aborted.<p>Jokes aside though, this whole situation is very disturbing.<p>One would hope that free software developers would be more aware than to equate the identity and actions of a nation state with the identity of each and every one of it&#x27;s geographic inhabitants.<p>I&#x27;m a US citizen, I massively disagree with a lot of what the US government does, especially WRT warfare which is basically mass murder. I would very much expect that many Russian people feel the same way about their government&#x27;s actions.<p>From another, completely different argument, when there is conflict, cutting off communications with the conflicting party is counterproductive, e.g. barring Russians from chess tournaments, scientific conferences, etc.<p>Lastly, how effective can this removal of committers even be? If an account is truly a Russian state operative, does LF actually think that actor would be unable to establish a false account from a US location?<p>Maybe the way the whole thing played out was really Linus&#x27; personal &quot;Scandinavian angst&quot; about Russian aggression? There is a real history there, and Linus does cite his Finnish heritage in the email. If that&#x27;s the case, we&#x27;re back to calling people wanking walrus, and it&#x27;s just another over emotional outburst from Linus, which would be a less concerning cause than the systematic elimination of Russian contributors by the LF organization.
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kaycey20227 months ago
So Linux is Linus&#x27;s project and he is subject to Finnish&#x2F;EU laws. It&#x27;s not a global project owned by some global &quot;community&quot;. When you take this into consideration, these actions are perfectly reasonable. Any open source project will work similarly.<p>Contributors from &quot;non western&quot; countries must realise this and be thankful for the current circumstances, as sad as they are, to bring this fact to light.
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ChrisArchitect7 months ago
Related:<p><i>Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted</i><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41927838">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41927838</a>
legitster7 months ago
If I understand correctly, this blogger wasn&#x27;t a maintainer or directly involved, he&#x27;s just personally upset on behalf of anyone whose feelings were hurt by being accused of being a Russian bot? Or have been &quot;riled up by them&quot;?
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rational_indian7 months ago
Can&#x27;t read on mobile. Why do these people still use hard line breaks?
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fuoqi7 months ago
Such hardworking Russian bots, wow. They wrote WHOLE 20+ emails in several hours!<p>Linus just dehumanized everyone who dares to disagree with the change and&#x2F;or ask about why it was done on the 3rd year of the war (an increasingly common way of dealing with opponents, unfortunately). No one even tries to explain why this &quot;compliance&quot; selectively applies to ru emails (oh, look the maintainer has graduated from the Moscow State University! He is surely a Putin agent!), but not to Huawei ones. And how reverting the change became equivalent to &quot;supporting Russian aggression&quot; I simply can not comprehend.<p>Today he has dealt a huge damage to the Linux reputation among non-Western developers. Do not act surprised when, for example, Chinese developers and organizations will start behave accordingly.
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